"The Force Awakens" is the WORST movie of all time

[lisa needs braces]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g9cJ5WKZeU

I am not a snob. My definition of a good movie is "The Rock," directed by Michael Bay, from 1996. But still, I am befuddled that people had such distaste for The Phantom Menace and none for The Force Awakens, a trite hollow affair if ever there was one. J.J Abrams is the biggest hack working in Hollywood.

[Scion7]

Clearly, you have not perused the Ed Wood library . . .

[lisa needs braces]

Clearly, you have not perused the Ed Wood library . . .

Title is facetiously hyperbolic...

[SimonNZ]

They're both just kids films, but...

The Phantom Menace is sooooooo much worse than Force Awakens. Dislike TFA if you want, but TPM is inexplicably bad, even improbably bad, even in the context of it just being one big advertisement for toys.

[71 dB]

It does not matter what other people think about movies. The only thing that matters is what you think yourself because it's you who experience the movie.

The Phantom Menace is a 5/5 movie to me, in fact the sixth best movie I have seen and I have seen it a dozen of times. I don't care if other people think it's bad. It's still one of my favorite movies. The Farce Awakens in a 4/5 movie to me. Inferior to TPM, but still enjoyable. However, don't care about my opinions, just enjoy the movies you enjoy. It's so ridiculous to think subjective opinions are objective. 

[lisa needs braces]

Here's an amusing debate between film critics Ebert & Siskel and notorious theater critic John Simon about Star Wars from the 1980s. Quite easy to take the side of Ebert & Siskel in this debate, but today I feel like John Simon about "Star Wars: The Force Awakens."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky9-eIlHzAE

[Mirror Image]

Couldn't this thread just be merged with the Star Wars thread I created?

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,23175.msg798099.html#msg798099

[(poco) Sforzando]

Here's an amusing debate between film critics Ebert & Siskel and notorious theater critic John Simon about Star Wars from the 1980s. Quite easy to take the side of Ebert & Siskel in this debate, but today I feel like John Simon about "Star Wars: The Force Awakens."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky9-eIlHzAE

I always took the side of John Simon. But then, I'm a snob. Sue me.

[lisa needs braces]

I always took the side of John Simon. But then, I'm a snob. Sue me.

I wasn't alive when the last of the original trilogy came out, The Return of the Jedi, but I did appreciate these movies when I saw them in the 90s, though I feel I can never have the love for them that those who saw them in theaters back in the day did.

A few years ago I bought the original trilogy for a niece and nephew of mine, and they found it utterly boring. I suppose they get too much stimulation from their ipads and cartoon channels and video-games such that, to them, the original star wars trilogy is relatively less stimulating and more demanding.

[The new erato]

I am not a snob. My definition of a good movie is "The Rock," directed by Michael Bay, from 1996. But still, I am befuddled that people had such distaste for The Phantom Menace and none for The Force Awakens, a trite hollow affair if ever there was one. J.J Abrams is the biggest hack working in Hollywood.

Oh crap. I'd just managed to forget that I had wasted hours of my life on all those three movies you mention.

[vandermolen]

I wasn't alive when the last of the original trilogy came out, The Return of the Jedi, but I did appreciate these movies when I saw them in the 90s, though I feel I can never have the love for them that those who saw them in theaters back in the day did.

A few years ago I bought the original trilogy for a niece and nephew of mine, and they found it utterly boring. I suppose they get too much stimulation from their ipads and cartoon channels and video-games such that, to them, the original star wars trilogy is relatively less stimulating and more demanding.

I think that's a good point. 'Return of the Jedi' was my favourite with its themes of guilt and redemption - I'm old enough to have seen it at the cinema when it was first released. But it did not have the same effect on me as '2001: A Space Odyssey' which I saw eight times at the cinema as a 13 year old in 1968. That and the photo 'earth rise' taken from Apollo 8 had a huge impact on me.

[lisa needs braces]

Oh crap. I'd just managed to forget that I had wasted hours of my life on all those three movies you mention.

...he said, missing those lost hours, regretting that he had not spent them reading poetry by the lakeside or solving differential equations for pleasure.

[The new erato]

...................solving differential equations for pleasure.

Actually, I teach differential equations, and find them interesting....

[david johnson]

It appears that some here have never watched the entire "Billy Jack" series.  Only those who have done so have the credibility to speak about the worst movies

[71 dB]

I always took the side of John Simon. But then, I'm a snob. Sue me.

I don't bother "taking sides" among movie critics. I ignore them. To me most of them are narrow-minded morrons who think the closer a movie is to Casablanca, the better it is. Those people don't understand that some of us smart/educated people need our popcorn entertaiment too just as ice cream and chocolate isn't eaten only by dumb people. I enjoy the art movies of Haneke AND popcorn movies by Lucas just as I enjoy the art music by Weinberg AND corny pop by Kesha. To me all these people are extremely good at what they do/did. I allow other people enjoy what they enjoy. If you are not fine with that I show my middle finger to you! 

TFA is the WORST movie of all time? Really? How about tv-movies like Sharknado? I think such movies are the worst even objectively.  0:)

[The new erato]

Lucas has made some fine movies. Those I enjoy the most are "American Graffiti" (his best and a superb movie), Star Wars episode 4 &5, and the first Indiana Jones. He has some stunning turkeys too, eg the 4th Indiana Jones, some of the Star Wars prequels, and Howard the Duck. Being popular is not a bad thing, but there's good popular, and bad popular stuff.....That somebody aims low doesn't necessarily mean that we should leave all our critical facultues at home.

[71 dB]

Howard the Duck.

"Howard the Turkey" indeed is a weak movie, I agree. But it is not a representation of Lucas' vision. It's just financed with Lucas' money. It is a Willard Huyck/Gloria Katz - movie.

People take Indy 4 so seriously. It's great popcorn entertaiment (at least to me), but not the best movie Spielberg has directed.

[The new erato]

"Howard the Turkey" indeed is a weak movie, I agree. But it is not a representation of Lucas' vision. It's just financed with Lucas' money. It is a Willard Huyck/Gloria Katz - movie.

People take Indy 4 so seriously. It's great popcorn entertaiment (at least to me), but not the best movie Spielberg has directed.

It's OK to enjoy turkeys (I do too), but it's not ok (in my book) to confuse them with good movies. Enjoyment and quality is not always correlated. The same goes for music, wine and a lot of stuff.

[71 dB]

It's OK to enjoy turkeys (I do too), but it's not ok (in my book) to confuse them with good movies. Enjoyment and quality is not always correlated. The same goes for music, wine and a lot of stuff.

Is quality even relevant if it does not correlate with enjoyment? The problem of evaluating quality is that we have to use our internal concept of quality (such as similarity to Casablanca). The concept of cinematic quality we have tends to be simpler than the concept of geniuses so often the evaluation process isn't very successful. Most people are besserwissers who think they know better than great movie makers. 

[The new erato]

Is quality even relevant if it does not correlate with enjoyment?

Well, in that case you end up with a world where personal enjoyment is all that matters.