Six great twentieth century fifth symphonies excluding Sibelius and Shostakovich

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vandermolen

#20
January 17, 2017, 12:57:01 PM
Quote from: North Star on January 17, 2017, 08:53:54 AM
Mahler
Prokofiev
Nielsen
Vaughan Williams
Hartmann
Schnittke
An encouragement for me to investigate those by Hartmann (I have a Wergo boxed set of the symphonies on LP) and Schnittke.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

#21
January 17, 2017, 12:59:26 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 17, 2017, 03:39:16 AM
And Holmboe, Braga Santos, Langgaard & Martinů, of course.
I like all of your choices Karl although Schuman's 6th and 3rd are my favourites. I need to listen to the Menninger again. I much prefer the first four by Braga-Santos to nos. 5 and 6.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Brian

#22
January 17, 2017, 04:04:13 PM
In the 21st century, I am excited to soon (in a month) attend the premiere performance of Christopher Rouse's Fifth Symphony.

(But in this thread, Vaughan Williams all the way!)

vandermolen

#23
January 18, 2017, 09:54:40 AM
Quote from: Brian on January 17, 2017, 04:04:13 PM
In the 21st century, I am excited to soon (in a month) attend the premiere performance of Christopher Rouse's Fifth Symphony.

(But in this thread, Vaughan Williams all the way!)

:)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Karl Henning

#24
January 18, 2017, 10:18:24 AM
Quote from: Brian on January 17, 2017, 04:04:13 PM
In the 21st century [...]

Give me time, I hope to get there.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

vandermolen

#25
January 19, 2017, 01:33:55 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 18, 2017, 10:18:24 AM
Give me time, I hope to get there.
You will Karl.
:)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

ComposerOfAvantGarde

#26
January 19, 2017, 04:05:51 PM
I don't tend to listen to symphonies very often, but from the 20th century my favourite 5ths would probably include:

Henze
Humphrey Searle
Rautavaara
Honegger
Schnittke
Maxwell Davies

As well as
Ives 'Universe Symphony'
Hartmann
Brenton Broadstock

and if Mahler's 5th is being included by others then I guess I would have to mention that one as well. Probably my least favourite of his symphonies though, and I tend to associate his style with late romanticism and as an influence for later 20th century styles.

nathanb

#27
January 19, 2017, 04:35:27 PM
Quote from: jessop on January 19, 2017, 04:05:51 PM
I don't tend to listen to symphonies very often, but from the 20th century my favourite 5ths would probably include:

Henze
Humphrey Searle
Rautavaara
Honegger
Schnittke
Maxwell Davies

As well as
Ives 'Universe Symphony'
Hartmann
Brenton Broadstock

and if Mahler's 5th is being included by others then I guess I would have to mention that one as well. Probably my least favourite of his symphonies though, and I tend to associate his style with late romanticism and as an influence for later 20th century styles.

I would have thought that you of all people would not forget Norgard.

ComposerOfAvantGarde

#28
January 19, 2017, 07:07:21 PM
Quote from: nathanb on January 19, 2017, 04:35:27 PM
I would have thought that you of all people would not forget Norgard.
WELL SHIT

I forgot Nørgård

:laugh:

SymphonicAddict

#29
January 20, 2017, 03:08:15 PM Last Edit: January 22, 2017, 04:22:58 PM by SymphonicAddict
For the moment, I choose these:

Prokofiev
Nielsen
Martinu
Vaughan Williams
Schnittke or Simpson
Atterberg

I haven't listened to several gorgeous fifth symphonies yet (Bax, Lloyd, Arnold, Weinberg, Malipiero, Myaskovsky, Langgaard, Lyatoshinsky, Melartin, Holmboe, Penderecki, Englund, Tubin, etc.), perhaps when I listen to them change my opinion (which is very likely)

BasilValentine

#30
January 22, 2017, 05:42:37 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 16, 2017, 11:25:21 AM
Nice thread, Jeffrey. My votes (in no particular order):

Vaughan Williams
Nielsen
Mahler
Weinberg
Prokofiev

Add Miaskovsky and my list is a mirror image of yours.

Christo

#32
January 23, 2017, 10:59:15 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 17, 2017, 02:16:49 AM
Prokofiev
Nielsen
Mennin
Schuman
Tubin
Vaughan Williams

A bit of a wrench to omit the Mahler.
Mennin for Mahler; makes me want to explore Mennin again.
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

Ken B

#33
January 24, 2017, 09:08:14 AM
No-one mention Rochberg? Where is Ghost Sonata when you need him?

The obvious ones I suppose are Mahler, Nielsen, RvW.

Daverz

#34
January 24, 2017, 04:54:30 PM Last Edit: January 24, 2017, 06:23:07 PM by Daverz
I don't know about great, but worthy and entertaining:

Antheil
Chavez
Creston
Guarnieri
Harris
Koppel
Lajtha
Lyatoshinsky
Piston
Rosner
Saygun
Sessions
Silvestrov
Toch
Wiren

vandermolen

#35
January 25, 2017, 02:51:36 PM
Quote from: Daverz on January 24, 2017, 04:54:30 PM
I don't know about great, but worthy and entertaining:

Antheil
Chavez
Creston
Guarnieri
Harris
Koppel
Lajtha
Lyatoshinsky
Piston
Rosner
Saygun
Sessions
Silvestrov
Toch
Wiren
Thought provoking choices. I know many of them. I rate the Harris highly.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Androcles

#36
January 26, 2017, 11:06:45 AM
Difficult to choose, but - Nielsen, Mahler, Miaskovsky, Pettersson, Prokofiev, RVW, and if I could have a couple of bonuses - Brian and Rautavaara. Tischenko and Schnittke are good too.
And, moreover, it is art in its most general and comprehensive form that is here discussed, for the dialogue embraces everything connected with it, from its greatest object, the state, to its least, the embellishment of sensuous existence.

Cato

#37
January 26, 2017, 11:14:01 AM
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

ComposerOfAvantGarde

#38
January 27, 2017, 11:04:28 PM
Does anyone have an opinion about Penderecki's 5th? Does his 3rd count, as it is chronologically the 5th he composed?

Maestro267

#39
January 30, 2017, 11:53:37 AM Last Edit: January 30, 2017, 12:47:50 PM by Maestro267
Quote from: jessop on January 27, 2017, 11:04:28 PM
Does anyone have an opinion about Penderecki's 5th? Does his 3rd count, as it is chronologically the 5th he composed?

I enjoy his Symphony No. 5 a lot*. As for No. 3, he started it in 1988, 8 years after No. 2, but before finishing it in 1995, his 4th (1989) and 5th (1992) Symphonies came and went.

EDIT (after listening to it again, inspired by this): Strike that. I LOVE this symphony! Magnificent orchestration (antiphonal percussion, dramatic "screeches" on the strings, like the stabs from Le Sacre but with more OOMPH!), great contrast between slow and fast passages, just wonderful!
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