GMG's Greatest Concertos Poll of 2017

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Mahlerian

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on September 21, 2017, 06:50:21 AM
I'm sorry you didn't like my thread title, Maestro, but I do appreciate you participating! Thank you!  ;D

I count 20 points for the Schoenberg Violin Concerto: 9 from me, 7 from Trout, and 4 from Mr. Bloom.  Did you forget to count the last one?
"l do not consider my music as atonal, but rather as non-tonal. I feel the unity of all keys. Atonal music by modern composers admits of no key at all, no feeling of any definite center." - Arnold Schoenberg

TheGSMoeller

Quote from: Mahlerian on September 21, 2017, 06:59:53 AM
I count 20 points for the Schoenberg Violin Concerto: 9 from me, 7 from Trout, and 4 from Mr. Bloom.  Did you forget to count the last one?

You're right, Mahlerian! For some reason when I transferred it to the thread I didn't change the Schoenberg.

Mahlerian

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on September 21, 2017, 08:06:31 AM
You're right, Mahlerian! For some reason when I transferred it to the thread I didn't change the Schoenberg.

Just an honest mistake.  Thanks for running these polls!
"l do not consider my music as atonal, but rather as non-tonal. I feel the unity of all keys. Atonal music by modern composers admits of no key at all, no feeling of any definite center." - Arnold Schoenberg

SymphonicAddict

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on September 21, 2017, 04:14:13 AM
Completed list! Let the discussions begin!

1: Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 2 - 52
2: Berg: Violin Concerto - 42
t3: Shostakovich: Violin Concerto No. 1 - 41; Sibelius: Violin Concerto - 41
5: Dvorak: Cello concerto - 37
6: Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 4 - 36
7: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 23 K. 488 - 34
8: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 24 K. 491 - 30
9: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 20 K. 466 - 29
t10: Bartok: 2nd Piano concerto - 28; Mendelssohn: Violin Concerto  - 28
t12: Adams: The Dharma at Big Sur - 26; Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto #1 In B Flat Minor, Op. 23 - 26
t14: Brahms: Violin concerto - 25; Ravel: Concerto for Left Hand  - 25
16: Elgar : Violin Concerto - 24
17: Elgar - Cello Concerto - 22
18: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 27 K. 595 - 21
19: Alwyn Lyra Angelica - 18
t20: Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 9 "Jenamy" ("Jeunehomme") - 18; Mozart Piano Concerto No. 22 - 18; Ravel: Piano Concerto in G major - 18
23: Bach - Brandenburg Cto 3  - 17
t24: Schoenberg: Violin Concerto - 16; Shostakovich Cello concerto 1 - 16
t26: Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2 - 15; Vasks: Violin Concerto "Tālā gaisma (Distant Light)" - 15
t28: Martinů: Double Concerto for Two String Orchestras, Piano & Timpani - 13; Lutoslawski: Cello concerto - 13; Kabalevsky: Cello Concerto 2 - 13
t31: Schnittke: Cello Concerto No. 1 - 12; Brahms Piano Concerto 1 D minor - 12

Many fans of Berg's concerto, it's quite popular. And now, what will be the next poll TheGSMoeller?

Christo

It's beyond me that K 466 should lose from 488 and 491.  :-[
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TheGSMoeller

Quote from: SymphonicAddict on September 21, 2017, 01:23:50 PM
And now, what will be the next poll TheGSMoeller?

Great question. Opera? Chamber music? Piano?  8)

Ken B

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on September 21, 2017, 04:14:13 AM
Completed list! Let the discussions begin!

1: Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 2 - 52
2: Berg: Violin Concerto - 42
t3: Shostakovich: Violin Concerto No. 1 - 41; Sibelius: Violin Concerto - 41
5: Dvorak: Cello concerto - 37
6: Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. 4 - 36
7: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 23 K. 488 - 34
8: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 24 K. 491 - 30
9: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 20 K. 466 - 29
t10: Bartok: 2nd Piano concerto - 28; Mendelssohn: Violin Concerto  - 28
t12: Adams: The Dharma at Big Sur - 26; Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto #1 In B Flat Minor, Op. 23 - 26
t14: Brahms: Violin concerto - 25; Ravel: Concerto for Left Hand  - 25
16: Elgar : Violin Concerto - 24
17: Elgar - Cello Concerto - 22
18: Mozart Piano Concerto No. 27 K. 595 - 21
19: Alwyn Lyra Angelica - 18
t20: Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 9 "Jenamy" ("Jeunehomme") - 18; Mozart Piano Concerto No. 22 - 18; Ravel: Piano Concerto in G major - 18
23: Bach - Brandenburg Cto 3  - 17
t24: Schoenberg: Violin Concerto - 16; Shostakovich Cello concerto 1 - 16
t26: Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2 - 15; Vasks: Violin Concerto "Tālā gaisma (Distant Light)" - 15
t28: Martinů: Double Concerto for Two String Orchestras, Piano & Timpani - 13; Lutoslawski: Cello concerto - 13; Kabalevsky: Cello Concerto 2 - 13
t31: Schnittke: Cello Concerto No. 1 - 12; Brahms Piano Concerto 1 D minor - 12

Less embarrassing than I feared. I still will deny membership in GMG if this poll is leaked to the media!
The Mozart fanciers were clearly above such sordid trickery as strategic voting and log-rolling.

TheGSMoeller

Quote from: Ken B on September 21, 2017, 02:20:21 PM
I still will deny membership in GMG if this poll is leaked to the media!

Fake News!

musicrom

Wow, I never knew how popular Prokofiev's 2nd Piano Concerto was... in fact, I'm not sure if I even know the piece. Will listen immediately.

Mirror Image

Quote from: musicrom on September 21, 2017, 07:09:32 PM
Wow, I never knew how popular Prokofiev's 2nd Piano Concerto was... in fact, I'm not sure if I even know the piece. Will listen immediately.

Yes! You must remedy that ASAP! It's a marvelous work. Certainly one of the greatest Russian piano concertos of all-time.

Florestan

Quote from: Ken B on September 21, 2017, 02:20:21 PM
Less embarrassing than I feared. I still will deny membership in GMG if this poll is leaked to the media!
The Mozart fanciers were clearly above such sordid trickery as strategic voting and log-rolling.

+ 1 on both accounts.  :)
"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

Jo498

Quote from: Christo on September 21, 2017, 01:40:17 PM
It's beyond me that K 466 should lose from 488 and 491.  :-[
The middle movement drags it down compared to these two.
But I am actually surprised that the Mozart concerti got in at all. The problem here is usually that the votes tend to be dispersed among too many great works, so none gets enough. A surprise is also that Prokofiev's 2nd piano concerto easily dominates. And that Brahms does comparably poor; I would have expected the violin or the 2nd piano concerto among the top 5.

(The positioning of Elgar, Adams, Alwyn must be another very special GMG oddity....)
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Karl Henning

Quote from: Jo498 on September 22, 2017, 01:11:33 AM
(The positioning of Elgar, Adams, Alwyn must be another very special GMG oddity....)

Oh, not the Elgar, which concerti earn their place here easily.
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nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Florestan

What really surprises me is that Liszt wasn't mentioned at all. At all.
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Harry

Quote from: Florestan on September 22, 2017, 02:57:37 AM
What really surprises me is that Liszt wasn't mentioned at all. At all.

Andrei your inbox in full, so my reaction to your birthday wishes is still waiting :)
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Karl Henning

Quote from: Florestan on September 22, 2017, 02:57:37 AM
What really surprises me is that Liszt wasn't mentioned at all. At all.

It does not surprise me, given the comparative obscurity (as standard rep goes, I mean) of these.

No, the real surprise is the absence of Rakhmaninov.  This is a snub!  0:)

Snub is not the right word:  six Mozart concerti appear here, but neither the Rakhmaninov Second or Third?  Rank fetishism!   ::)   8)   :)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Florestan

Quote from: Harry's corner on September 22, 2017, 03:17:18 AM
Andrei your inbox in full, so my reaction to your birthday wishes is still waiting :)

Problem solved.
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Florestan

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 22, 2017, 03:42:25 AM
It does not surprise me, given the comparative obscurity (as standard rep goes, I mean) of these.

I beg your pardon, Karl? Do you mean that Liszt's concertos are not standard repertoire? If you do, I'm greatly puzzled.  ???

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No, the real surprise is the absence of Rakhmaninov

I missed that, here you are absolutely right. :o

And the shocking surprise is that there's no love at all for Schumann or Grieg. ::)

Otoh, let's not take the whole thing too seriously.  :laugh:
"Great music is that which penetrates the ear with facility and leaves the memory with difficulty. Magical music never leaves the memory." — Thomas Beecham

ritter

Quote from: Florestan on September 22, 2017, 03:59:56 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 22, 2017, 03:42:25 AM

No, the real surprise is the absence of Rakhmaninov.  This is a snub!  0:)

I missed that, here you are absolutely right. :o

And the shocking surprise is that there's no love at all for Schumann or Grieg. ::)

Well, democracy is always right....until it goes against what one thinks, that is  ;D

Good day, gentlemen.


Karl Henning

Quote from: Florestan on September 22, 2017, 03:59:56 AM
I beg your pardon, Karl? Do you mean that Liszt's concertos are not standard repertoire? If you do, I'm greatly puzzled.  ???

What I meant was that, within the grand bucket of Standard Rep, the Liszt concerti are programmed less frequently than many.  (Less frequently than any of the Mozart concerti which made the list?  Probably not.)

QuoteOtoh, let's not take the whole thing too seriously.  :laugh:

Quite right!  :)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot