Interactive Composer Game (Voting Thread)

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San Antone

#40
March 17, 2018, 04:00:45 PM
I think Mahler should have 5 more votes than are showing.  GioCar voted 5 for Mahler but did not increase his total from 5 to 10.  From then on people just copied the list and Mahler was never given his 5 votes.  But until Sammy confirms this I will use the last posted list.

Johann Sebastian Bach - 10 (+3)
Béla Bartók - 0
Ludwig van Beethoven - 18
Pierre Boulez - 12
Johannes Brahms - 8 (+2)
Anton Bruckner - 11
Elliott Carter - 4 (+2)
Frédéric Chopin - 0
Claude Debussy - 10 (+3)
Josquin Des Prez - 0

Antonín Dvorák - 8
Joseph Haydn - 13
Charles Ives - 0
Leoš Janáček - 10
György Ligeti - 5
Gustav Mahler - 28
Bohuslav Martinů - 0
Claudio Monteverdi - 7
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - 12
Carl Nielsen - 0

Sergei Prokofiev - 0
Maurice Ravel - 10
Arnold Schoenberg - 9
Franz Schubert - 1
Robert Schumann - 0
Dmitri Shostakovich - 10
Jean Sibelius - 14
Igor Stravinsky - 5
Ralph Vaughan Williams - 3
Richard Wagner - 12

Sammy

#41
March 17, 2018, 04:38:19 PM
Quote from: Marcabru on March 17, 2018, 04:00:45 PM
I think Mahler should have 5 more votes than are showing.  GioCar voted 5 for Mahler but did not increase his total from 5 to 10.  From then on people just copied the list and Mahler was never given his 5 votes.  But until Sammy confirms this I will use the last posted list.

Everything is fine.  GioCar just neglected to delete the (+5) that I gave to Mahler.  If you look at his full response, you'll see that he used all his 10 points on other composers.  Neglecting to delete the parentheses happens a lot, but I'm used to it and it does no harm to the point totals.  Of course, I'd like it to never occur.

ComposerOfAvantGarde

#42
March 17, 2018, 05:08:59 PM
I am glad Chopin is getting the love he deserves :)

Sammy

#43
March 17, 2018, 07:56:48 PM
Quote from: jessop on March 17, 2018, 05:08:59 PM
I am glad Chopin is getting the love he deserves :)

Feeling sorry for Chopin.  Some of his piano works are among my favorites.  Given that music with an orchestra is much more popular than solo piano works, Chopin doesn't get the recognition he's earned.
Having said the above, I can't see myself giving him any votes when I have Bach, Mahler and a few others available.  Our list is highly competitive.

ComposerOfAvantGarde

#44
March 17, 2018, 08:22:28 PM
Quote from: Sammy on March 17, 2018, 07:56:48 PM
Feeling sorry for Chopin.  Some of his piano works are among my favorites.  Given that music with an orchestra is much more popular than solo piano works, Chopin doesn't get the recognition he's earned.
Having said the above, I can't see myself giving him any votes when I have Bach, Mahler and a few others available.  Our list is highly competitive.

Well, honestly I think Chopin is just as good and just as important as composers like Mertz, Regondi and other composers who wrote almost exclusively for salon performances. Terrific music, but such a different world from concert and operatic repertoire we enjoy today, I agree with you. I do have just one grudge against Chopin, and it's based on how he directly benefitted primarily off the hard work of women like Szymanowska and those who ran salons he performed in and he pretty much based his career as a composer and pianist on other people's innovations. A pretty yucky thing to do, and he did it more than anyone else. He wrote good music though, no matter how overrated it is, so at least there is that.

Mirror Image

#45
March 17, 2018, 08:57:10 PM
Johann Sebastian Bach - 10
Béla Bartók - 0
Ludwig van Beethoven - 18
Pierre Boulez - 12
Johannes Brahms - 8
Anton Bruckner - 11
Elliott Carter - 4
Frédéric Chopin - 0
Claude Debussy - 15 (+5)
Josquin Des Prez - 0

Antonín Dvorák - 8
Joseph Haydn - 13
Charles Ives - 0
Leoš Janáček - 10
György Ligeti - 5
Gustav Mahler - 28
Bohuslav Martinů - 0
Claudio Monteverdi - 7
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - 12
Carl Nielsen - 0

Sergei Prokofiev - 0
Maurice Ravel - 15 (+5)
Arnold Schoenberg - 9
Franz Schubert - 1
Robert Schumann - 0
Dmitri Shostakovich - 10
Jean Sibelius - 14
Igor Stravinsky - 5
Ralph Vaughan Williams - 3
Richard Wagner - 12

GioCar

#46
March 17, 2018, 10:46:30 PM
Quote from: Sammy on March 17, 2018, 04:38:19 PM
Everything is fine.  GioCar just neglected to delete the (+5) that I gave to Mahler.  If you look at his full response, you'll see that he used all his 10 points on other composers.  Neglecting to delete the parentheses happens a lot, but I'm used to it and it does no harm to the point totals.  Of course, I'd like it to never occur.

Sorry about that, I'll pay more attention.

Johann Sebastian Bach - 12 (+2)
Béla Bartók - 0
Ludwig van Beethoven - 18
Pierre Boulez - 12
Johannes Brahms - 8
Anton Bruckner - 11
Elliott Carter - 4
Frédéric Chopin - 0
Claude Debussy - 15
Josquin Des Prez - 2 (+2)

Antonín Dvorák - 8
Joseph Haydn - 13
Charles Ives - 0
Leoš Janáček - 10
György Ligeti - 5
Gustav Mahler - 28
Bohuslav Martinů - 0
Claudio Monteverdi - 9 (+2)
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - 12
Carl Nielsen - 0

Sergei Prokofiev - 0
Maurice Ravel - 15
Arnold Schoenberg - 9
Franz Schubert - 3 (+2)
Robert Schumann - 0
Dmitri Shostakovich - 10
Jean Sibelius - 14
Igor Stravinsky - 5
Ralph Vaughan Williams - 3
Richard Wagner - 14 (+2)

North Star

#47
March 17, 2018, 11:29:19 PM
Johann Sebastian Bach - 12
Béla Bartók - 0
Ludwig van Beethoven - 18
Pierre Boulez - 12
Johannes Brahms - 8
Anton Bruckner - 11
Elliott Carter - 4
Frédéric Chopin - 5 (+5)
Claude Debussy - 15
Josquin Des Prez - 2

Antonín Dvorák - 8
Joseph Haydn - 13
Charles Ives - 0
Leoš Janáček - 15 (+5)
György Ligeti - 5
Gustav Mahler - 28
Bohuslav Martinů - 0
Claudio Monteverdi - 9
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - 12
Carl Nielsen - 0

Sergei Prokofiev - 0
Maurice Ravel - 15
Arnold Schoenberg - 9
Franz Schubert - 3
Robert Schumann - 0
Dmitri Shostakovich - 10
Jean Sibelius - 14
Igor Stravinsky - 5
Ralph Vaughan Williams - 3
Richard Wagner - 14
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

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North Star

#48
March 17, 2018, 11:52:57 PM Last Edit: March 18, 2018, 12:00:32 AM by North Star
Quote from: jessop on March 17, 2018, 08:22:28 PM
Well, honestly I think Chopin is just as good and just as important as composers like Mertz, Regondi and other composers who wrote almost exclusively for salon performances. Terrific music, but such a different world from concert and operatic repertoire we enjoy today, I agree with you. I do have just one grudge against Chopin, and it's based on how he directly benefitted primarily off the hard work of women like Szymanowska and those who ran salons he performed in and he pretty much based his career as a composer and pianist on other people's innovations. A pretty yucky thing to do, and he did it more than anyone else. He wrote good music though, no matter how overrated it is, so at least there is that.
There aren't many artists who didn't base their work on earlier innovations, and I fail to see the harm in that - even if they happened to do so in a way that treated women as equals of men. But speaking of yucky things Chopin (George Sand must have been appalled) did is a bit rich when you vote for Wagner. And Chopin seems to be doing alright in bigger (modern) concert halls too thanks to the modern piano, though in symphony concerts his presence is pretty much limited to the two piano concertos, of course. So the harmonic developments in the Mazurkas for example are something that can be found in other contemporary salon music too? And the Etudes are not a significant development towards the tone poems for piano that Liszt, Rakhmaninov, Ravel etc would write? And did someone else write standalone scherzos before Chopin?
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

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ritter

#49
March 18, 2018, 12:43:07 AM


Johann Sebastian Bach - 12
Béla Bartók - 0
Ludwig van Beethoven - 18
Pierre Boulez - 14 (+2)
Johannes Brahms - 8
Anton Bruckner - 11
Elliott Carter - 4
Frédéric Chopin - 5
Claude Debussy - 15
Josquin Des Prez - 2

Antonín Dvorák - 8
Joseph Haydn - 13
Charles Ives - 0
Leoš Janáček - 15
György Ligeti - 5
Gustav Mahler - 28
Bohuslav Martinů - 0
Claudio Monteverdi - 9
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - 12
Carl Nielsen - 0

Sergei Prokofiev - 0
Maurice Ravel - 15
Arnold Schoenberg - 9
Franz Schubert - 3
Robert Schumann - 0
Dmitri Shostakovich - 10
Jean Sibelius - 14
Igor Stravinsky - 8 (+3)
Ralph Vaughan Williams - 3
Richard Wagner - 19 (+5)

Good day to all GMGers!

Sammy

#50
March 18, 2018, 01:10:54 AM
Johann Sebastian Bach - 17 (+5)
Béla Bartók - 0
Ludwig van Beethoven - 18
Pierre Boulez - 14
Johannes Brahms - 8
Anton Bruckner - 11
Elliott Carter - 4
Frédéric Chopin - 5
Claude Debussy - 15
Josquin Des Prez - 2

Antonín Dvorák - 8
Joseph Haydn - 13
Charles Ives - 0
Leoš Janáček - 15
György Ligeti - 5
Gustav Mahler - 28
Bohuslav Martinů - 0
Claudio Monteverdi - 9
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - 12
Carl Nielsen - 0

Sergei Prokofiev - 0
Maurice Ravel - 15
Arnold Schoenberg - 9
Franz Schubert - 3
Robert Schumann - 5 (+5)
Dmitri Shostakovich - 10
Jean Sibelius - 14
Igor Stravinsky - 8
Ralph Vaughan Williams - 3
Richard Wagner - 19

Florestan

#51
March 18, 2018, 01:18:48 AM
I'm done here. I honestly can't participate anymore in a thread where Chopin is trashed in such ignorant, clueless and ill willed manner. Good bye, gentlemen, and have fun.
There is no theory. You have only to listen. Pleasure is the law. — Claude Debussy

Sammy

#52
March 18, 2018, 02:43:07 AM
Quote from: Florestan on March 18, 2018, 01:18:48 AM
I'm done here. I honestly can't participate anymore in a thread where Chopin is trashed in such ignorant, clueless and ill willed manner. Good bye, gentlemen, and have fun.

I hope you reconsider.  Just one member trashed Chopin.

When that member did the trashing, I should have immediately responded that in a Sammy game each entry and vote has equal standing.  The only proper way to show a lack of preference for a particular composer or work is to not vote for the entry.  A show of disrespect for an entry is a show of disrespect for the members who vote for that entry.  This is not a thread for discussion, debate, argument or put-downs.  It's a game thread for voting, influencing outcomes, fun and entertainment.

NO NEGATIVE POSTINGS

ComposerOfAvantGarde

#53
March 18, 2018, 02:48:16 AM
Quote from: North Star on March 17, 2018, 11:52:57 PM
There aren't many artists who didn't base their work on earlier innovations, and I fail to see the harm in that - even if they happened to do so in a way that treated women as equals of men. But speaking of yucky things Chopin (George Sand must have been appalled) did is a bit rich when you vote for Wagner. And Chopin seems to be doing alright in bigger (modern) concert halls too thanks to the modern piano, though in symphony concerts his presence is pretty much limited to the two piano concertos, of course. So the harmonic developments in the Mazurkas for example are something that can be found in other contemporary salon music too? And the Etudes are not a significant development towards the tone poems for piano that Liszt, Rakhmaninov, Ravel etc would write? And did someone else write standalone scherzos before Chopin?

His music is wonderful, harmonic development etc. to which you refer is groundbreaking and influential. Probably my tongue in cheek comment was a bit too provocative for some! ;D

San Antone

#54
March 18, 2018, 03:06:24 AM
Johann Sebastian Bach - 17
Béla Bartók - 2 (+2)
Ludwig van Beethoven - 18
Pierre Boulez - 14
Johannes Brahms - 10 (+2)
Anton Bruckner - 11
Elliott Carter - 6 (+2)
Frédéric Chopin - 5
Claude Debussy - 17 (+2)
Josquin Des Prez - 4 (+2)

Antonín Dvorák - 8
Joseph Haydn - 13
Charles Ives - 0
Leoš Janáček - 15
György Ligeti - 5
Gustav Mahler - 28
Bohuslav Martinů - 0
Claudio Monteverdi - 9
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - 12
Carl Nielsen - 0

Sergei Prokofiev - 0
Maurice Ravel - 15
Arnold Schoenberg - 9
Franz Schubert - 3
Robert Schumann - 5
Dmitri Shostakovich - 10
Jean Sibelius - 14
Igor Stravinsky - 8
Ralph Vaughan Williams - 3
Richard Wagner - 19

Karl Henning

#55
March 18, 2018, 03:16:18 AM
Johann Sebastian Bach - 17
Béla Bartók - 2
Ludwig van Beethoven - 18
Pierre Boulez - 14
Johannes Brahms - 10
Anton Bruckner - 11
Elliott Carter - 6
Frédéric Chopin - 7 (+2)
Claude Debussy - 17
Josquin Des Prez - 4

Antonín Dvorák - 8
Joseph Haydn - 13
Charles Ives - 0
Leoš Janáček - 15
György Ligeti - 5
Gustav Mahler - 28
Bohuslav Martinů - 0
Claudio Monteverdi - 9
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - 12
Carl Nielsen - 2 (+2)

Sergei Prokofiev - 2 (+2)
Maurice Ravel - 15
Arnold Schoenberg - 11 (+2)
Franz Schubert - 3
Robert Schumann - 5
Dmitri Shostakovich - 10
Jean Sibelius - 14
Igor Stravinsky - 10 (+2)
Ralph Vaughan Williams - 3
Richard Wagner - 19
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Florestan

#56
March 18, 2018, 03:58:46 AM

Johann Sebastian Bach - 17
Béla Bartók - 2
Ludwig van Beethoven - 18
Pierre Boulez - 14
Johannes Brahms - 10
Anton Bruckner - 11
Elliott Carter - 6
Frédéric Chopin - 12 (+5)
Claude Debussy - 17
Josquin Des Prez - 4

Antonín Dvorák - 8
Joseph Haydn - 13
Charles Ives - 0
Leoš Janáček - 15
György Ligeti - 5
Gustav Mahler - 28
Bohuslav Martinů - 0
Claudio Monteverdi - 9
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - 12
Carl Nielsen - 2

Sergei Prokofiev - 2
Maurice Ravel - 15
Arnold Schoenberg - 11
Franz Schubert - 8 (+5)
Robert Schumann - 5
Dmitri Shostakovich - 10
Jean Sibelius - 14
Igor Stravinsky - 10 (+2)
Ralph Vaughan Williams - 3
Richard Wagner - 19

Quote from: Sammy on March 18, 2018, 02:43:07 AM
I hope you reconsider.

I just did.  :)

QuoteJust one member trashed Chopin.

That one comment really got on my nerves big time. Kudos to you and North Star for redressing the balance.

I'm back in.


There is no theory. You have only to listen. Pleasure is the law. — Claude Debussy

North Star

#57
March 18, 2018, 04:03:05 AM
Quote from: jessop on March 18, 2018, 02:48:16 AM
His music is wonderful, harmonic development etc. to which you refer is groundbreaking and influential. Probably my tongue in cheek comment was a bit too provocative for some! ;D
Too much tongue and too much cheek, I suspect.  :P
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

My photographs on Flickr

NikF

#58
March 18, 2018, 04:16:43 AM
Johann Sebastian Bach - 17
Béla Bartók - 2
Ludwig van Beethoven - 18
Pierre Boulez - 14
Johannes Brahms - 15 (+5)
Anton Bruckner - 11
Elliott Carter - 6
Frédéric Chopin - 12
Claude Debussy - 17
Josquin Des Prez - 4

Antonín Dvorák - 8
Joseph Haydn - 13
Charles Ives - 0
Leoš Janáček - 15
György Ligeti - 5
Gustav Mahler - 28
Bohuslav Martinů - 0
Claudio Monteverdi - 9
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - 12
Carl Nielsen - 2

Sergei Prokofiev - 2
Maurice Ravel - 15
Arnold Schoenberg - 11
Franz Schubert - 8
Robert Schumann - 5
Dmitri Shostakovich - 15 (+5)
Jean Sibelius - 14
Igor Stravinsky - 10
Ralph Vaughan Williams - 3
Richard Wagner - 19
"You overestimate my power of attraction," he told her. "No, I don't," she replied sharply, "and neither do you".

ritter

#59
March 18, 2018, 04:22:34 AM
Quote from: Florestan on March 18, 2018, 03:58:46 AM
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I'm back in.
Good. Welcome back, Andrei! (even if you're not paying any attention to my rules  :D)...

Un abrazo,
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