Innovative Composer Game (Selection Thread)

[Florestan]

Afaik, CPE Bach was instrumental in bringing about both the empfindsamer Stil and the style galant, thus breaking away from High Baroque and markedly pointing towards Classical; there are even proto-Romantic features to be found in his music.

In my book he's much more innovative than his father (this is an observation, not a value judgment, mind you.)

Oh, amw beat me to it:

CPE Bach is reasonable as basically the inventor of the modern sonata, of empfindsamkeit (sp), and the person most instrumental in the transition from style rococo via style galante to the fully formed "classical style", and was cited by Haydn and Mozart (among others) as an influence.

Precisely.

My other choice is Liszt and I think it's self-explanatory.

[Mirror Image]

Langgaard - If Ligeti is going to be on the list, then Langgaard needs to be on it, too! There's an amusing tale of Per Nørgård placing the score of Sfærernes Musik (Music of the Spheres) in front of Ligeti. Basically, the innovations found in Ligeti's Atmosphères had already been done previously in Langgaard's work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OX_4cJyhgI

Janáček - He simply created an entire school of opera almost single-handedly. By mimicking the speech patterns in the Czech language, he forged a completely new opera style, although some may very well argue that Debussy had already achieved this (but obviously in French) in his opera Pelléas et Mélisande. Well, there's room for both composers on the list!

[Sammy]

Selected (40):
Bach (CPE)
Bach (JS)
Bartok
Beethoven
Berlioz
Biber
Brahms
Boulez
Caccini
Cage
Chopin
Debussy
Dufay
Dunstable
Gesualdo
Hauer
Haydn (J.)
Ives
Janáček
Langgaard
Léonin
Ligeti
Liszt
Machaut
Martinu
Monteverdi
Partch
Schnittke
Schoenberg
Sibelius
Solage
Stockhausen
Stravinsky
Sweelinck
Varèse
Verdi
Vivaldi
Wagner
Webern
Wyschnegradsky

[mc ukrneal]

Mozart

[Florestan]

Mozart

Hey, the thread is about innovative, not revolutionary! 

[Mahlerian]

Mahler (created a new kind of symphonic form and a new kind of orchestration, both of which were influential on the Second Viennese School, Shostakovich, and others)
Messiaen (formalized a new harmonic/melodic language, presented new ways of looking at and treating rhythm)

[mc ukrneal]

Hey, the thread is about innovative, not revolutionary! 

Should I retract him?

[Florestan]

Should I retract him?

No way!

[ComposerOfAvantGarde]

A book called Bruckner, Mahler, Schoenberg by Schoenberg's student Dika Newlin proposed a line to the Second Viennese School indicated in the book's title.  Given that Schoenberg wrote an essay called Brahms, The Progressive, I do not see how Brahms can be excluded as at least part of the family tree.

Scroll down to page 52:

https://monoskop.org/images/8/84/Schoenberg_Arnold_Style_and_Idea.pdf

Thanks for this! I'm aware of ideas present in 'Brahms the progressive' but I have not read the essay. This PDF looks like a delightful read! Thank you, Cato!

[Marc]

Hildegard von Bingen

[Crudblud]

Nancarrow

[Sammy]

Selected (43):
Bach (CPE)
Bach (JS)
Bartok
Beethoven
Berlioz
Biber
Brahms
Boulez
Caccini
Cage
Chopin
Debussy
Dufay
Dunstable
Gesualdo
Hauer
Haydn (J.)
Hildegard von Bingen
Ives
Janáček
Langgaard
Léonin
Ligeti
Liszt
Machaut
Martinu
Monteverdi
Mozart
Nancarrow
Partch
Schnittke
Schoenberg
Sibelius
Solage
Stockhausen
Stravinsky
Sweelinck
Varèse
Verdi
Vivaldi
Wagner
Webern
Wyschnegradsky

[Sammy]

I'm going to keep submittals open for another 24 hours.  If you have more composers who you feel deserve a spot in this innovation game, now is the time to take action. 

[André]

Vincenzo Bellini. In his works, melody supplanted declamation in opera.

Charles Koechlin. He parted ways with tradition in terms of instrumental combinations and orchestration.

[mc ukrneal]

Gluck
Boulanger

[ComposerOfAvantGarde]

I'm going to keep submittals open for another 24 hours.  If you have more composers who you feel deserve a spot in this innovation game, now is the time to take action. 

Good to hear, does this mean we can only support the composers already nominated to get a 'game ready' list after that time is up?

[Sammy]

Good to hear, does this mean we can only support the composers already nominated to get a 'game ready' list after that time is up?

The "game ready" aspect only applies to interactive games.  In this game, your pick is automatically in the voting round(s).

[Sammy]

Selected (47):
Bach (CPE)
Bach (JS)
Bartok
Beethoven
Bellini
Berlioz
Biber
Brahms
Boulanger (L.)
Boulez
Caccini
Cage
Chopin
Debussy
Dufay
Dunstable
Gesualdo
Gluck
Hauer
Haydn (J.)
Hildegard von Bingen
Ives
Janáček
Koechlin
Langgaard
Léonin
Ligeti
Liszt
Machaut
Martinu
Monteverdi
Mozart
Nancarrow
Partch
Schnittke
Schoenberg
Sibelius
Solage
Stockhausen
Stravinsky
Sweelinck
Varèse
Verdi
Vivaldi
Wagner
Webern
Wyschnegradsky

[Crudblud]

I have been thinking about selecting Zappa, but most of his innovation is in his synthesis of popular and classical styles and techniques, his approach to directing group improvisation, and his experimental work in the recording studio, all of which has proven more relevant to popular music than classical as far as I can see. Though, as folks no doubt know, I appreciate his work immensely, I don't think he had enough time to master the orchestra or chamber ensembles the way he mastered all the things he was working with daily, so the innovation is kind of all on one side.

[GioCar]

Corelli
Scelsi