Mixed Ensemble Game (Voting Round 2)

[Sammy]

Berg - Kammerkonzert - 50
Boulez - Le marteau sans maître - 64
Brahms - Clarinet Trio in A minor, Op. 114 - 31
Carter - Triple Duo - 33
Debussy - Sonata for Flute, Viola and Harp - 45
Enescu - Chamber Symphony Op 33 - 62 (+5)
Feldman - Crippled Symmetry - 10
Grisey - Quatre chants pour franchir le seuil - 27
Harrison - Main Bersama Sama - 7
Ligeti - Chamber Concerto for 13 Instrumentalists - 15

Janacek - Concertino - 9
Martinu - Nonet (H314) - 46 (+2)
Messiaen - Quatuor pour la fin du temps - 43
Mozart - Quintet for Piano and Winds - 55 (+5)
Ravel - Introduction et Allegro for harp, flute, clarinet & string quartet - 45
Saint-Saens - Septet Op 65 - 8
Schoenberg - Serenade, Op. 24 - 59
Schubert - Octet - 30
Stravinsky - Septet - 17
Webern - Quartet Op. 22 - 29

[San Antone]

Berg - Kammerkonzert - 50
Boulez - Le marteau sans maître - 64
Brahms - Clarinet Trio in A minor, Op. 114 - 36 (+5)
Carter - Triple Duo - 33
Debussy - Sonata for Flute, Viola and Harp - 50 (+5)
Enescu - Chamber Symphony Op 33 - 62
Feldman - Crippled Symmetry - 10
Grisey - Quatre chants pour franchir le seuil - 27
Harrison - Main Bersama Sama - 7
Ligeti - Chamber Concerto for 13 Instrumentalists - 15

Janacek - Concertino - 9
Martinu - Nonet (H314) - 46
Messiaen - Quatuor pour la fin du temps - 43
Mozart - Quintet for Piano and Winds - 55
Ravel - Introduction et Allegro for harp, flute, clarinet & string quartet - 45
Saint-Saens - Septet Op 65 - 8
Schoenberg - Serenade, Op. 24 - 59
Schubert - Octet - 30
Stravinsky - Septet - 17
Webern - Quartet Op. 22 - 29

[Sergeant Rock]

Berg - Kammerkonzert - 50
Boulez - Le marteau sans maître - 64
Brahms - Clarinet Trio in A minor, Op. 114 - 36
Carter - Triple Duo - 33
Debussy - Sonata for Flute, Viola and Harp - 52 (+2)
Enescu - Chamber Symphony Op 33 - 62
Feldman - Crippled Symmetry - 10
Grisey - Quatre chants pour franchir le seuil - 27
Harrison - Main Bersama Sama - 7
Ligeti - Chamber Concerto for 13 Instrumentalists - 15

Janacek - Concertino - 9
Martinu - Nonet (H314) - 46
Messiaen - Quatuor pour la fin du temps - 43
Mozart - Quintet for Piano and Winds - 55
Ravel - Introduction et Allegro for harp, flute, clarinet & string quartet - 50 (+5)
Saint-Saens - Septet Op 65 - 8
Schoenberg - Serenade, Op. 24 - 64 (+5)
Schubert - Octet - 30
Stravinsky - Septet - 17
Webern - Quartet Op. 22 - 29

[North Star]

Berg - Kammerkonzert - 50
Boulez - Le marteau sans maître - 64
Brahms - Clarinet Trio in A minor, Op. 114 - 41 (+5)
Carter - Triple Duo - 33
Debussy - Sonata for Flute, Viola and Harp - 52
Enescu - Chamber Symphony Op 33 - 62
Feldman - Crippled Symmetry - 10
Grisey - Quatre chants pour franchir le seuil - 29 (+2)
Harrison - Main Bersama Sama - 7
Ligeti - Chamber Concerto for 13 Instrumentalists - 15

Janacek - Concertino - 9
Martinu - Nonet (H314) - 51 (+5)
Messiaen - Quatuor pour la fin du temps - 43
Mozart - Quintet for Piano and Winds - 55
Ravel - Introduction et Allegro for harp, flute, clarinet & string quartet - 50
Saint-Saens - Septet Op 65 - 8
Schoenberg - Serenade, Op. 24 - 64
Schubert - Octet - 30
Stravinsky - Septet - 17
Webern - Quartet Op. 22 - 29

[Mahlerian]

Berg - Kammerkonzert - 50
Boulez - Le marteau sans maître - 69 (+5)
Brahms - Clarinet Trio in A minor, Op. 114 - 41
Carter - Triple Duo - 33
Debussy - Sonata for Flute, Viola and Harp - 57 (+5)
Enescu - Chamber Symphony Op 33 - 62
Feldman - Crippled Symmetry - 10
Grisey - Quatre chants pour franchir le seuil - 29
Harrison - Main Bersama Sama - 7
Ligeti - Chamber Concerto for 13 Instrumentalists - 17 (+2)

Janacek - Concertino - 9
Martinu - Nonet (H314) - 51
Messiaen - Quatuor pour la fin du temps - 43
Mozart - Quintet for Piano and Winds - 55
Ravel - Introduction et Allegro for harp, flute, clarinet & string quartet - 50
Saint-Saens - Septet Op 65 - 8
Schoenberg - Serenade, Op. 24 - 64
Schubert - Octet - 30
Stravinsky - Septet - 17
Webern - Quartet Op. 22 - 29

[ritter]

Berg - Kammerkonzert - 50
Boulez - Le marteau sans maître - 74 (+5)
Brahms - Clarinet Trio in A minor, Op. 114 - 41
Carter - Triple Duo - 33
Debussy - Sonata for Flute, Viola and Harp - 57
Enescu - Chamber Symphony Op 33 - 67 (+5)
Feldman - Crippled Symmetry - 10
Grisey - Quatre chants pour franchir le seuil - 29
Harrison - Main Bersama Sama - 7
Ligeti - Chamber Concerto for 13 Instrumentalists - 17

Janacek - Concertino - 9
Martinu - Nonet (H314) - 51
Messiaen - Quatuor pour la fin du temps - 43
Mozart - Quintet for Piano and Winds - 55
Ravel - Introduction et Allegro for harp, flute, clarinet & string quartet - 50
Saint-Saens - Septet Op 65 - 8
Schoenberg - Serenade, Op. 24 - 64
Schubert - Octet - 30
Stravinsky - Septet - 19(+2)
Webern - Quartet Op. 22 - 29

[André]

Berg - Kammerkonzert - 55 (+5)
Boulez - Le marteau sans maître - 74
Brahms - Clarinet Trio in A minor, Op. 114 - 41
Carter - Triple Duo - 33
Debussy - Sonata for Flute, Viola and Harp - 57
Enescu - Chamber Symphony Op 33 - 67
Feldman - Crippled Symmetry - 10
Grisey - Quatre chants pour franchir le seuil - 29
Harrison - Main Bersama Sama - 7
Ligeti - Chamber Concerto for 13 Instrumentalists - 17

Janacek - Concertino - 9
Martinu - Nonet (H314) - 53 (+2)
Messiaen - Quatuor pour la fin du temps - 48 (+5)
Mozart - Quintet for Piano and Winds - 55
Ravel - Introduction et Allegro for harp, flute, clarinet & string quartet - 50
Saint-Saens - Septet Op 65 - 8
Schoenberg - Serenade, Op. 24 - 64
Schubert - Octet - 30
Stravinsky - Septet - 19
Webern - Quartet Op. 22 - 29

[André]

I have a question: has rule no 1 (one player to a part) been eliminated/eased ?

[ComposerOfAvantGarde]

I have a question: has rule no 1 (one player to a part) been eliminated/eased ?

Hmm, these rules were put into place to ensure that all the nominated pieces have things in common and that we don't get things like orchestral works and so on

[ComposerOfAvantGarde]

Berg - Kammerkonzert - 55
Boulez - Le marteau sans maître - 79 (+5)
Brahms - Clarinet Trio in A minor, Op. 114 - 41
Carter - Triple Duo - 36 (+3)
Debussy - Sonata for Flute, Viola and Harp - 57
Enescu - Chamber Symphony Op 33 - 67
Feldman - Crippled Symmetry - 10
Grisey - Quatre chants pour franchir le seuil - 29
Harrison - Main Bersama Sama - 7
Ligeti - Chamber Concerto for 13 Instrumentalists - 21 (+4)

Janacek - Concertino - 9
Martinu - Nonet (H314) - 53
Messiaen - Quatuor pour la fin du temps - 48
Mozart - Quintet for Piano and Winds - 55
Ravel - Introduction et Allegro for harp, flute, clarinet & string quartet - 50
Saint-Saens - Septet Op 65 - 8
Schoenberg - Serenade, Op. 24 - 64
Schubert - Octet - 30
Stravinsky - Septet - 19
Webern - Quartet Op. 22 - 29

[André]

Hmm, these rules were put into place to ensure that all the nominated pieces have things in common and that we don't get things like orchestral works and so on

OK. So it's not strictly adhered to, then. There are a few works with more than one player to a part in the lists we vote on.

[ComposerOfAvantGarde]

New board after four more eliminations


Berg - Kammerkonzert - 55
Boulez - Le marteau sans maître - 79
Brahms - Clarinet Trio in A minor, Op. 114 - 41
Carter - Triple Duo - 36
Debussy - Sonata for Flute, Viola and Harp - 57
Enescu - Chamber Symphony Op 33 - 67
Grisey - Quatre chants pour franchir le seuil - 29
Ligeti - Chamber Concerto for 13 Instrumentalists - 21

Martinu - Nonet (H314) - 53
Messiaen - Quatuor pour la fin du temps - 48
Mozart - Quintet for Piano and Winds - 55
Ravel - Introduction et Allegro for harp, flute, clarinet & string quartet - 50
Schoenberg - Serenade, Op. 24 - 64
Schubert - Octet - 30
Stravinsky - Septet - 19
Webern - Quartet Op. 22 - 29

[ComposerOfAvantGarde]

OK. So it's not strictly adhered to, then. There are a few works with more than one player to a part in the lists we vote on.

I am not familiar with all works....which ones don't qualify as chamber/large chamber works?

[Trout]

Berg - Kammerkonzert - 58 (+3)
Boulez - Le marteau sans maître - 79
Brahms - Clarinet Trio in A minor, Op. 114 - 41
Carter - Triple Duo - 36
Debussy - Sonata for Flute, Viola and Harp - 58 (+1)
Enescu - Chamber Symphony Op 33 - 67
Grisey - Quatre chants pour franchir le seuil - 29
Ligeti - Chamber Concerto for 13 Instrumentalists - 21

Martinu - Nonet (H314) - 53
Messiaen - Quatuor pour la fin du temps - 53 (+5)
Mozart - Quintet for Piano and Winds - 58 (+3)
Ravel - Introduction et Allegro for harp, flute, clarinet & string quartet - 50
Schoenberg - Serenade, Op. 24 - 64
Schubert - Octet - 30
Stravinsky - Septet - 19
Webern - Quartet Op. 22 - 29

[Ken B]

OK. So it's not strictly adhered to, then. There are a few works with more than one player to a part in the lists we vote on.

Good point. What pieces? They should be eliminated. Some were eliminated/withdrawn early for this.

[André]

Rule # 1 says 'one player to a part'. That eliminates Schubert's Octet, Mozart's Gran Partita, Berg's Kammerkonzert, Ligeti's Chamber Concerto, Schönberg's Chamber Symphony to name the most obvious. All of these works have at least one instrument working in pair. The Gran Partita is all in pairs except for the double bass.

[Mahlerian]

Rule # 1 says 'one player to a part'. That eliminates Schubert's Octet, Mozart's Gran Partita, Berg's Kammerkonzert, Ligeti's Chamber Concerto, Schönberg's Chamber Symphony to name the most obvious. All of these works have at least one instrument working in pair. The Gran Partita is all in pairs except for the double bass.

One player to a part doesn't mean that there can only be a single one of each type of instrument.  All it means is that there are no two players playing the same thing at all times.  String quartets are always one player to a part, but a string orchestra arrangement of a string quartet would not be.

[Sammy]

Good point. What pieces? They should be eliminated. Some were eliminated/withdrawn early for this.

I think it's way too late to eliminate any works at this stage of the game for not lining up perfectly with game rules (already close to done with round two).

One more thing.  Considering Jessop's musical preferences, he came up with a great game that's rather unique in that I've not seen a game with this content before.

[ComposerOfAvantGarde]

Mahlerian is right, let us continue the game.

[André]

Of course, let's continue. It's a great game. 

In another game Sammy suggested I go back to the post that outlined the selections, as I had questions about a work I was wondering about. I wanted to see if Dvorak's Serenade op.44 was included in this one. That's when I found the rules and noticed the Dvorak didn't qualify because of the 'one to a part' policy.  And then I saw it was not alone in that situation.