Sad day for music

[head-case]

The problem is that these teens who practice their "tunes" in their garage sessions lack a most essential element, its called talent.

You think the drivel you put up on on YouTube exhibits talent?   

[Josquin des Prez]

The problem is that these teens who practice their "tunes" in their garage sessions lack a most essential element, its called talent.

Some of them do have talent though. I always use Roger Waters as an example. His grew up in a environment which was completely noxious to his development. His mother was absolutely against music or art in general, and he never even touched an instrument until his mid/late teens. He still managed to make his band world famous, and his music isn't even all that bad. One needs to wonder how far he could have gone with a proper education and better music to serve as inspiration then the petty popular bands of his day.

You could apply the same situation to many of the best popular musicians out there.

[Saul]

You think the drivel you put up on on YouTube exhibits talent?   

Well ofcourse

[head-case]

Well ofcourse

Everybody does.   

[Saul]

Everybody does.   

Well ofcourse

[Bonehelm]

I look at this in a completely different way than you guys.

Avril has no talent. But she can make money. And what is this world all about again, kids?

So who wins now? She, or the self-aggrandizing, "artistic'', elitist, real classical musicians? I bet she already made more than Karajan did in his entire career span of 60+ years..

















And of course, whoever thinks this is really how I think, need another link to the almighty, free SarcasmSensor TM, sponsored by bonehead...

[Saul]

I look at this in a completely different way than you guys.

Avril has no talent. But she can make money. And what is this world all about again, kids?

So who wins now? She, or the self-aggrandizing, "artistic'', elitist, real classical musicians? I bet she already made more than Karajan did in his entire career span of 60+ years..






And of course, whoever thinks this is really how I think, need another link to the almighty, free SarcasmSensor TM, sponsored by bonehead...

Youre mixing three things up here... money, art and talnet.
If you are a true artist, you will never trade your talnet for money.
If you are not an artist and you don't have talnet, you will use art and the talent of others to make money.

So its not about 'elitists" , its about the "Real thing" and the "fake thing", and as you know the "real thing" always triumphs in the end.

[greg]

ok, i watched 1:50 of the video.
what do i think about it? when she has her black hair and black clothes on, she looks niiiiiiiiiiice.
when she has her blond hair and other clothes on, she looks like an ugly whore
(those are the same two girls, right?)

anyways, i'd even go far enough to say she doesn't have talent. I bet thousands of teenage girls can sing her songs just as good as her, that's pretty sad.

So its not about 'elitists" , its about the "Real thing" and the "fake thing", and as you know the "real thing" always triumphs in the end.

oh, Saul, being so naive and optimistic.....
eventually real music will be pushed off the planet (oh wait, it already is)....

[mahlertitan]

wow that video is horrible, basically you learn after watching it:
1) dress like a prostitute, because Avril Does, so that must be cool!
2) bully other normal people because you want to steal their boyfriends
3) it's possible to make money with a piece of crap

[Haffner]

I was pretty put off by the music's recycled nature...I've heard each and every melody in this track dozens of times, easily. But overall it was bouncy and fun...the profanity seemed ignorant to me, but maybe that's simple American vernacular. In fact, the lyrics overall were pretty bad.

For me, this type of music is for whenever there exists a need to completely "not think". Fortunately (or maybe unfortunately) for me, I don't need this kind of thing often. Rarely in fact. But if I did, I wonder if my life would be a whole lot easier.

[marvinbrown]

Over 50.000.000 views for avril's stupid video "girlfriend".
Most watched on youtube....
What pulls people to listen to this junk?

 What can I say Saul...there's no accounting for taste, (bad taste as is the case here.)  

 marvin

[orbital]

So if only Ms Lavigne never dyed her hair blonde and wore long flowing dresses that cover her ankles she would deserve our respect. At least partially  If she gave up on singing and took on say, violin... she would be a model citizen for young girls everywhere 

[Larry Rinkel]

You think the drivel you put up on on YouTube exhibits talent?   

To paraphrase Oscar Wilde, there is drivel that exhibits talent and drivel that does not exhibit talent. Surely that is a matter that every piece of drivel can decide for itself.

[greg]

For me, this type of music is for whenever there exists a need to completely "not think". Fortunately (or maybe unfortunately) for me, I don't need this kind of thing often. Rarely in fact. But if I did, I wonder if my life would be a whole lot easier.

it's like the epitome of "non thinking" music....
i do understand how people who are young, in high school, middle school, etc. don't really feel like thinking or using their brain so much after a long, hard, boring day at school studying... but this is a bit TOO much. There's really nothing going on in the music, i don't understand how that can be pleasing to anyone....

[orbital]

it's like the epitome of "non thinking" music....
i do understand how people who are young, in high school, middle school, etc. don't really feel like thinking or using their brain so much after a long, hard, boring day at school studying... but this is a bit TOO much. There's really nothing going on in the music, i don't understand how that can be pleasing to anyone....

Greg, different people do different things for different reasons. You probably hear the same things from your peers about your musical taste: How can those screeching (that's how they may perceive it, believe it or not) noises be pleasing to you?

I don't enjoy her music myself, but I think the world needs a whole lot of more girls/women like her. Doing their own thing and yes, making money for it, and for me this is enough to justify any type of empty sounding music that is around.

[Haffner]

but I think the world needs a whole lot of more girls/women like her. Doing their own thing and yes, making money for it, and for me this is enough to justify any type of empty sounding music that is around.

If large groups of people are having their lives made in any way happier by it, I say YES!!!! I'm all for it.

[Renfield]

Orbital beat me to the punch by some 45 seconds, then Haffner re-beat me to the second punch by a minute. Either I need to start typing extremely fast, or we are just of serendipitously similar mind, on this issue.

(In other words, Orbital covered me, and Haffner covered me even more completely. )

[orbital]

If large groups of people are having their lives made in any way happier by it, I say YES!!!! I'm all for it.

I am sure those 500,000 viewers take approximately the same amount of pleasure from watching that video as I do of a Sokolov one   Now I would not mind if some people put a few more out there (Sokolov not LAvigne )

[greg]

Greg, different people do different things for different reasons. You probably hear the same things from your peers about your musical taste: How can those screeching (that's how they may perceive it, believe it or not) noises be pleasing to you?

I don't enjoy her music myself, but I think the world needs a whole lot of more girls/women like her. Doing their own thing and yes, making money for it, and for me this is enough to justify any type of empty sounding music that is around.

what i don't respect is the lack of knowledge about music that stars like her can get away with. Composers train and study for years just to learn "enough" to be succesfull. People like her get away with very little and make more money than you can ever dream of. So people like her don't get my respect (even if i did like pop/commercial music) compared to someone who is really knowledgeable, like Pierre Boulez.
it's ok to enjoy something simple and silly like that, but there's just no respect for anything that's complex.... i guess i'd be more succesfull if i forgot all the "extra" stuff i learned about music and join some gaya** band and strummed a chord or two for them cuz it's "cool" (though i'd die of boredom).
either way, the world's totally messed up...

[Haffner]

Orbital beat me to the punch by some 45 seconds, then Haffner re-beat me to the second punch by a minute. Either I need to start typing extremely fast, or we are just of serendipitously similar mind, on this issue.

(In other words, Orbital covered me, and Haffner covered me even more completely. )

(smiling wide in appreciation) But, wait...that's a good thing isn't it?