Star Wars Episode IX

[Ghost of Baron Scarpia]

If it doesn't matter to you, then why comment? That's my point. You want to be heard, but you don't want to acknowledge or consider others' opinions? What a load of crap, 71 dB. Why even post on GMG if you don't want to engage in conversation with someone?

He's describing his experience. I don't see anything he wrote that justifies ridicule.

[Mirror Image]

He's describing his experience. I don't see anything he wrote that justifies ridicule.

Over-dramatizing again, Scarpia? I'm not ridiculing anyone.

[Ghost of Baron Scarpia]

Over-dramatizing again, Scarpia? I'm not ridiculing anyone.

...What a load of crap, 71 dB. Why even post on GMG...?

And who is eye rolling?

[Mirror Image]

And who is eye rolling?

Look, Scarpia, I understand that you're trying to be a hero, but, please, 71 dB can defend himself. He doesn't need your help.

[Ghost of Baron Scarpia]

I"m not trying to be a hero. I am drawing attention to behavior that I find disturbing to read.

[Rinaldo]

The slicing of Snoke was as predictable as it could possibly be. Not to Rey, naturally, but to me, yes. And I doubt I was the only one who saw where that crappy build-up was going. 

Sure it was telegraphed that Kylo's about to do something but I absolutely didn't expect them to deal with the big badddie in the middle of the trilogy. Which I find highly refreshing, as it opens up a brave new world of possibilities (nicely underscored by the red wall of the throne room burning up, showing the outer space behind it).

This new trilogy has been one large fragmented mess.

It feels fragmented at times, I'll give you that. That was my main problem with TFA. That and the Abramsian rehashing of A New Hope.

My main regret is I will never watch this movie and the meaning of "the slicing of Snoke" will forever be a mystery to me. 

Well, there's a thing in these movies called a lightsaber, I think you can do the math

[Ghost of Baron Scarpia]

Sure it was telegraphed that Kylo's about to do something but I absolutely didn't expect them to deal with the big badddie in the middle of the trilogy. Which I find highly refreshing, as it opens up a brave new world of possibilities (nicely underscored by the red wall of the throne room burning up, showing the outer space behind it).

It feels fragmented at times, I'll give you that. That was my main problem with TFA. That and the Abramsian rehashing of A New Hope.

Well, there's a thing in these movies called a lightsaber, I think you can do the math

Yes, I did see the original three films so I know about the lightsaber. I am in the dark about what a Snoke is, however.

[Narrowly avoided disaster, spell-check tried to switch snoke for an offensive term. I'd have to go on an apology tour, probably...]

[71 dB]

If it doesn't matter to you, then why comment? That's my point. You want to be heard, but you don't want to acknowledge or consider others' opinions? What a load of crap, 71 dB. Why even post on GMG if you don't want to engage in conversation with someone?

This kind of shit is why I hate Star Wars discussions.

[kyjo]

I'll probably get a load of flack for this, but let me just say that I really enjoyed The Rise of Skywalker. I was on the edge of my seat for much of the film and thought it to be really emotionally engaging. I thought it tied up all the loose ends of the previous two films in the sequel trilogy very well and had overall excellent character development. I'm sure glad I'm not as obstinately hard to please as all those Star Wars "fans" out there who won't stop complaining about the new trilogy because "it's not was George Lucas would've wanted" or whatever. So what, I thought JJ Abrams and (to a lesser extent) Rian Johnson took Star Wars in exciting new directions with the sequel trilogy and certainly renewed my interest in the franchise.

[71 dB]

Based on what I have heard about this movie (it's a desparete ADHD mess) I'm not interested of seeing it.

[Mirror Image]

I'll probably get a load of flack for this, but let me just say that I really enjoyed The Rise of Skywalker. I was on the edge of my seat for much of the film and thought it to be really emotionally engaging. I thought it tied up all the loose ends of the previous two films in the sequel trilogy very well and had overall excellent character development. I'm sure glad I'm not as obstinately hard to please as all those Star Wars "fans" out there who won't stop complaining about the new trilogy because "it's not was George Lucas would've wanted" or whatever. So what, I thought JJ Abrams and (to a lesser extent) Rian Johnson took Star Wars in exciting new directions with the sequel trilogy and certainly renewed my interest in the franchise.

I couldn't disagree more! I'm not one of those staunch, hardcore original trilogy fans (although, I still consider these three films the best of them all). What I object to is the lack of imaginative storytelling and I felt no kind of empathy for the new characters except for Kylo Ren, which Adam Driver should be commended for doing a fine job given that he had such a weak storyline. The Empire Strikes Back, for example, had me on the edge of my seat when I first saw it when I was a kid in the 80s (I believe I saw it some time in '88). That feeling has not been recaptured and unless Disney get the dollar signs out of their sights, I'm afraid we'll never get to see another Star Wars film that actually has some depth to it.

[Mirror Image]

Based on what I have heard about this movie (it's a desparete ADHD mess) I'm not interested of seeing it.

I had no intention of seeing it, especially after reading the spoilers online. I truly had a hearty chuckle at the pathetic turn of events that are on full exhibit in The Rise of Skywalker. I think the people who like this new trilogy are the same people who are afraid to use their own critical thinking skills and have been blinded by all of the eye candy that is happening on the screen. You can have explosions, people being killed by lightsabers, spaceship battles, etc., but without a storyline that has heart and charisma, you have nothing but an empty shell. This new trilogy stinks worse than the Dagobah swamps!

[mc ukrneal]

Well, I saw it too and enjoyed it. You can drive a truck through a lot of the plot points, but the acting has steadily improved...except for Adam Driver who I think is totally miscast and is ineffective. The movie's strength and weakness (simultaneously) is it's tug on nostalgia. There are some great moments, as long as you don't ask too many questions about why they are doing stuff. Just accept it and move on...

[Mirror Image]

Well, I saw it too and enjoyed it. You can drive a truck through a lot of the plot points, but the acting has steadily improved...except for Adam Driver who I think is totally miscast and is ineffective. The movie's strength and weakness (simultaneously) is it's tug on nostalgia. There are some great moments, as long as you don't ask too many questions about why they are doing stuff. Just accept it and move on...

I think this critic from the BBC hit the nail on the head when he wrote:

"The film is well acted, it looks so good that there is bound to be a fabulous tie-in coffee-table book of concept art, and it has a positive message about never giving up hope. But the main feeling it instils in the viewer is a renewed respect for the imagination of Lucas. The Rise of Skywalker has been lovingly crafted by a host of talented people, and yet the best they can do is pay tribute to everything he did several decades ago."

Nothing new is gained from this new trilogy. It's a nostalgic cash grab from Disney and nothing more. I think Disney truly thinks of Star Wars as nothing more than a cash cow and they prey on these older Star Wars fans because they know they'll breakdown and spend their hard earned money. I never have been a fan of Disney films, but I think what they have done to Lucas' legacy has been showing people how stupid they really are, but, hey, I'm guilty of falling for it, too, but this was because of my love for the original trilogy, but this is a tough lesson learned. Never again, Disney. Never again. The only thing I'm remotely interested in at this point is the HD remasters of the theatrical versions of the original trilogy, but we'll never get them, so I won't hold my breath there.

[71 dB]

I think Disney truly thinks of Star Wars as nothing more than a cash cow...

The irony is after The Force Awakens Disney hasn't made that much money with these movies. Disney has even lost money (Solo). This movie will probably make 1.1-1.2 billion worldwide, maybe even the same as The Last Jedi (1.3 billion), but considering what brand we are talking about and how much it costs to make (not to forget marketing costs) these movies such figures aren't that great at all. With competense Disney would be making 1.5-2 billion with every movie.

[Mirror Image]

The irony is after The Force Awakens Disney hasn't made that much money with these movies. Disney has even lost money (Solo). This movie will probably make 1.1-1.2 billion worldwide, maybe even the same as The Last Jedi (1.3 billion), but considering what brand we are talking about and how much it costs to make (not to forget marketing costs) these movies such figures aren't that great at all. With competense Disney would be making 1.5-2 billion with every movie.

Perhaps this also shows that the whole Star Wars franchise is waning. It certainly has lost of a lot of it's appeal throughout the years for me. Sales figures do tell some of the tale, but, of course, not the whole tale. I think the fact that Star Wars got so huge has actually hurt it in the end. It's become a parody of itself.

[AlberichUndHagen]

I have not seen episode IX and based on what I've heard I won't in the near future either. However, no matter how badly The Last Jedi and the Rise of Skywalker may have fucked up everything in Star Wars canon, they can never be as incredibly bad as for ex. love scenes and love dialogue from Attack of the Clones. It takes a special kind of (lack of) talent to create something so inherently awful as that. At least Force Awakens was great and I chuckled admittedly a few times when watching The Last Jedi. For those that say Star Wars is dead should acknowledge the beginning of decline way earlier than The Last Jedi or Rise of Skywalker.

[71 dB]

I have not seen episode IX and based on what I've heard I won't in the near future either. However, no matter how badly The Last Jedi and the Rise of Skywalker may have fucked up everything in Star Wars canon, they can never be as incredibly bad as for ex. love scenes and love dialogue from Attack of the Clones. It takes a special kind of (lack of) talent to create something so inherently awful as that. At least Force Awakens was great and I chuckled admittedly a few times when watching The Last Jedi. For those that say Star Wars is dead should acknowledge the beginning of decline way earlier than The Last Jedi or Rise of Skywalker.

What people don't get is Lucas wasn't in the business of only stuff that is "cool". He was in the business of telling stories and sometimes stories include moments which are less "cool". Anakin was a socially akward Jedi in a very difficult situation so the dialogue was totally proper, just not "cool" to movie goers "spoiled" with boring stories where everything is "cool".

Attack of the Clones is a great movie and superior to what Disney has done.

[relm1]

I'll probably get a load of flack for this, but let me just say that I really enjoyed The Rise of Skywalker. I was on the edge of my seat for much of the film and thought it to be really emotionally engaging. I thought it tied up all the loose ends of the previous two films in the sequel trilogy very well and had overall excellent character development. I'm sure glad I'm not as obstinately hard to please as all those Star Wars "fans" out there who won't stop complaining about the new trilogy because "it's not was George Lucas would've wanted" or whatever. So what, I thought JJ Abrams and (to a lesser extent) Rian Johnson took Star Wars in exciting new directions with the sequel trilogy and certainly renewed my interest in the franchise.

Gentleman, gentleman...no need to argue, you can both be wrong.  I'm a Star Wars purist so to define the terms, this doesn't mean we believe everything must be sanctioned and approved by Lucas who can do no fault (prequels *cough*) but rather that the story should be constructed from the outset rather than as a TV episode.  In LOST, JJ Abrams co-wrote a two page outline that laid out the mystery of the island, the basic characters (some made it the show and others didn't, most morphed), the drama.  What they don't know is how long a show will last.  So with a compelling intro, they can stretch it out as long as need be.  That is a very bad way of producing an epic drama like Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, or a Star Wars trilogy.  These things have to be tightly interwoven unraveling of stories, increasing obstacles, all sort of making logical sense along the way.  It doesn't have to be perfect.  It does have to avoid laziness (or the appearance of it).  that is where the Disney sequel trilogy fails is it didn't have a grand plan despite what the creators will say...JJ said the same about Lost, that he knew how the story would end just not how it got there but the truth is, no one knew where the story was going...the treatment showed that it was just a mystery box setup.  Again, great for dragging out a tv series beyond its value but not great for something you get in brief increments where all the story needs to be interwoven and carefully constructed.  The music is great though!

[AlberichUndHagen]

What people don't get is Lucas wasn't in the business of only stuff that is "cool". He was in the business of telling stories and sometimes stories include moments which are less "cool". Anakin was a socially akward Jedi in a very difficult situation so the dialogue was totally proper, just not "cool" to movie goers "spoiled" with boring stories where everything is "cool".

Attack of the Clones is a great movie and superior to what Disney has done.

I think it would be very wrong to purposefully create cringe-worthy dialogue. Besides, there are countless other bad things with prequels.