Bruckner's Abbey

[Daverz]

The lavish Artone set of Bruckner 4-5 and Brahms 1-4 with Kempe and the MPO didn't get an auspicious start. These are most probably direct transripts from LPs.

I can say most definitely that these are not transfers from the Odyssey Lps.  The CD has greater dynamic range but also a rather hard sound.  I suspect they are using the Acanta transfers.  The Odyssey Lps, for all their other faults, are warm and lovely sounding.  I'd love to hear the BASF Lps, but they are rare in this part of the world.

[Lilas Pastia]

I'm not sure, Dave. During the quiet parts I definitely hear residual sounds. Either some tape hiss, but more probably slightly swishy surfaces. That's what made me think of LP transfers. I used to have a few BASF and they were not of the highest quality either.

[Lilas Pastia]

New from Berky's Bruckner website:

This month's download is a performance of the Symphony No. 9 with the Carragan Finale, Hubert Soudant conducts the Utrecht Symphony Orchestra.

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

New from Berky's Bruckner website:

This month's download is a performance of the Symphony No. 9 with the Carragan Finale, Hubert Soudant conducts the Utrecht Symphony Orchestra.

I remember listening to this live on Dutch radio many years ago. Carragan was present and thanked the conductor afterwards (I can still hear his voice and how he pronounced Soudant...)

[Lethevich]

I upped two late Jochum recordings of the 8th and 9th symphonies for anyone interested. They contrast decently with his famous ones, the interps of which hadn't changed very much for decades before.

No.8, No.9.

[vandermolen]

I heard an excellent performance of Bruckner's 8th on the car radio yesterday. Gunter Herbig and one of the BBC orchestras. I was sorry to see that he does not seem to have recorded any of them, but I may be wrong.

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

I upped two late Jochum recordings of the 8th and 9th symphonies for anyone interested. They contrast decently with his famous ones, the interps of which hadn't changed very much for decades before.

Thanks, Sarah!

[drogulus]

I upped two late Jochum recordings of the 8th and 9th symphonies for anyone interested. They contrast decently with his famous ones, the interps of which hadn't changed very much for decades before.

No.8, No.9.

     I'm getting an error message for No. 8, saying I'm already downloading. I think I messed up, and now it won't let me have the file.

[Daverz]

I heard an excellent performance of Bruckner's 8th on the car radio yesterday. Gunter Herbig and one of the BBC orchestras. I was sorry to see that he does not seem to have recorded any of them, but I may be wrong.

Here's what the Bruckner Discography lists.

[Daverz]

I'm not sure, Dave. During the quiet parts I definitely hear residual sounds. Either some tape hiss, but more probably slightly swishy surfaces. That's what made me think of LP transfers. I used to have a few BASF and they were not of the highest quality either.

I suppose they could have applied some kind of dynamic range expansion, then filtered the hell out of it to try to hide the vinyl source.  A travesty of the originally quite lovely recording.  By the way, I disagree with your assessment of Odyssey, they were generally very good.  Try Schipper's Barber Lp, for example.

[Lilas Pastia]

I've never heard that Schippers Odyssey lp. But I can cite at least a dozen of very unsatisfactory products. Manufactured in different places ? Mozart piano sonatas by Lili Kraus, Mitropoulos Fantastique, Mahler 1, 2, and 9 by Walter, Mozart/Haydn concerti by Igor Kipnis, Brahms piano concertos (Szell) immediately spring to mind.

[Daverz]

I've never heard that Schippers Odyssey lp. But I can cite at least a dozen of very unsatisfactory products. Manufactured in different places ? Mozart piano sonatas by Lili Kraus, Mitropoulos Fantastique, Mahler 1, 2, and 9 by Walter, Mozart/Haydn concerti by Igor Kipnis, Brahms piano concertos (Szell) immediately spring to mind.

But I like the sound of that Fantastique.  I have a nice quiet copy of it.  I also have a 6-eye pressing, though not in very good shape.  Of those you list, I also have the Mahler 9 and the Brahms set, so I'll have to give them a listen. 

[Lilas Pastia]

I am talking about the pressings, not the sound. Are you too? In my experience lps were good if they were manufactured in Europe, rather lousy if not. Another case in point were the Angel lps vs the EMI or, even better, the german Electrola ones (best pressings I've come across along with the dutch Philips onse). Worst of all were the RCA lps, which often came out warped from the envelope .

But soundwise it's the source recording that makes a difference, whatever the provenance of the pressing.

[Lethevich]

     I'm getting an error message for No. 8, saying I'm already downloading. I think I messed up, and now it won't let me have the file.

Hmm, it could either be that you recently started the DL, canceled, then restarted, and RS has yet to catch up with what has happened (it doesn't allow simultaneous DLs for free users), or perhaps your IP (if dynamic) has recently been used to DL a file by another PC (if you have only just connected to the net). These are only guesses, though

With RS, though, the best medicine is usually to do an IP reset, or leave it for an hour and try again.

[Lilas Pastia]

I didn't check, but I assume this Munich 9th is the same as that posted some time ago by Mforever?

Thanks a lot for that Tokyo 8th. I really look forward to that one. Jochum's Bruckner became settled and absolutely authoritative in his very last years (the 1980s). His earlier recordings were sometimes impressive, sometimes irritating.

[Lethevich]

I didn't check, but I assume this Munich 9th is the same as that posted some time ago by Mforever?

Yep, both were quite commonly posted around on the net around 2 years ago when these rips were made. It was M who spurred me to finally listen to the 9th (too many DLs, too little time)

[Lilas Pastia]

It sure deserves to be included in anyone's select list of outstanding 9ths, so thanks for resurfacing it!

[Daverz]

I am talking about the pressings, not the sound.

It's partly a reflection of what was available here in the U.S., but compared to most other domestic U.S. budget labels, Odyssey was quite good in terms of surfaces, consistent with other American Columbia pressings (for what that's worth).    I haven't had much problem with warpage.  One can seek out 2-eye and 6-eye pressings, but the older they are, the fewer clean copies there are to be found.   OK, sorry for the diversion...back to Bruckner.

[drogulus]

Hmm, it could either be that you recently started the DL, canceled, then restarted, and RS has yet to catch up with what has happened (it doesn't allow simultaneous DLs for free users), or perhaps your IP (if dynamic) has recently been used to DL a file by another PC (if you have only just connected to the net). These are only guesses, though

With RS, though, the best medicine is usually to do an IP reset, or leave it for an hour and try again.

   Thanks, an IP reset sounds interesting. I think I just canceled it so I'll just grab it later today.

[Que]

HIP Bruckner anyone?



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