And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020

[Karl Henning]

Ah: Valley of the Trolls!

[Todd]

From the failing New York Times: The Allegation Is Against Joe Biden, but the Burden Is on Women

"My chief concern is watching all of these powerful, important women leaders staking their credibility to Biden when the fact is there's been no real investigation," said Michele Dauber, a law professor at Stanford and Democratic fund-raiser, who helped write the sexual misconduct policies for the California Democratic Party. (She also led the charge to remove the judge who presided over the Brock Turner sexual assault case, the first judge to be recalled in more than 80 years.)

The political action committee Professor Dauber chairs, the Enough is Enough Voter Project, has called for an independent investigation into the claims.

"If this is true, and there is no investigation, his candidacy or his presidency could implode over it" — and, she noted, could take #MeToo down with it.

Believe women, but vet their claims.

[Todd]

We need to give people an opportunity to tell their story, but then we have a duty to vet it

[SimonNZ]

If you can put the sarcasm and snark aside for just a second...how do you personally weigh the Reade charges?

[71 dB]

In oligarchy the bankers have a lot say over who's going to be the VP. Assuming the VP pick being a woman they want the VP to be Kamala Harris, Gretchen Whitmer or Amy Klobuchar and they definitely DON'T want Elizabeth Warren.

[SimonNZ]

In oligarchy the bankers have a lot say over who's going to be the VP. Assuming the VP pick being a woman they want the VP to be Kamala Harris, Gretchen Whitmer or Amy Klobuchar and they definitely DON'T want Elizabeth Warren.

??

Are you saying you like Elizabeth Warren now? Previously Reddit had told you that "snake" was the meme you were to use, and you dutifully used it here like the ***brainwashed*** parrot you are.

(I mean.., I think Elizabeth Warren is okay - but not because Reddit tells me I can or cant think that)

[71 dB]

??

Are you saying you like Elizabeth Warren now? Previously Reddit had told you that "snake" was the meme you were to use, and you dutifully used it here like the *brainwashed* parrot you are.

What does it matter who I like? My post was about who bankers like. Reddit? When have I mentioned Reddit? I don't know who exactly came up with the "snake", but it is a brilliant descriptor of how Warren behaved during the latter part of the primary so the WHOLE LEFT adopted it including me.

I don't especially like Elizabeth Warren the snake she is, but she'd be in my opinion superior VP pick compared to Harris, Whitmer and Klobuchar.

If you ark me the VP pick should be Bernie Sanders or Nina Turner, but that will never happen because of oligarchy.

[Ratliff]

Also, before Corona, Cuomo was not terribly popular in New York.

I don't think his current popularity would be sustainable without this crisis.

How did he win the election by 15 percentage points if we was not terribly popular?

[JBS]

If she dropped out sooner Bernie may have won a few more states but that wouldn't have changed the outcome. The Dem base clearly wanted the moderate establishment liberal so making a far left progressive VP doesn't make any sense at all unless they want to scare the bulk of their party away in November.

The Bernie-ites need a scapegoat so they don't have to face the truth thst they are a lot less popular than they think they are.

[Karl Henning]

The Bernie-ites need a scapegoat so they don't have to face the truth thst they are a lot less popular than they think they are.

But, dude, all those people at the rallies! 

[Herman]

How did Cuomo win the election by 15 percentage points if we was not terribly popular?

Well, dang, maybe I did not get this right.

I ain't no New Yorker.

Maybe it's just the NY media that used to dislike him.

[71 dB]

The Dem base clearly wanted the moderate establishment liberal so making a far left progressive VP doesn't make any sense at all unless they want to scare the bulk of their party away in November.

The corporate media is VERY hostile to Bernie, but loves corporate candidates. Americans are brainwashed to think Biden is most electable so to get rid of Trump old people went for Biden even when they agree with Bernie's policies more (overhelming majority of Democrat voters support medicare for all. Biden is against medicare for all. People are voting against their good. That's corporate brainwashing. Good luck to Biden to get the votes of voters under 45. The left will stay home or vote for third party. Biden can still win if old people vote a lot and Trumps support dies because of covid-19 mess.

[71 dB]

How did he win the election by 15 percentage points if we was not terribly popular?

In oligarchy the candidate with most money often wins. In the US it's something like 9 out of 10 cases I believe. I don't know if Cuomo had most money. I have to say it's astonishing how Americans vote for the bad candidates so much. The bad ones are loved by the oligarchs and are handled nicely in the corporate media while the good candidates are ignored or smeared in the corporate media so that people don't vote for them even when they should.

[SimonNZ]

Surely somebody just won a game of 71db keyword bingo from those two posts?

[Karl Henning]

Surely somebody just won a game of 71db keyword bingo from those two posts?

(* chortle *)

[Todd]

Warren calls Biden's denial of sexual assault credible, stands by her endorsement

The vice president's answers were credible and convincing

You know who I feel sorry for in all this, Kirsten Gillibrand.  Here she stuck a knife in Al Franken's gut to advance her career, to make gender issues a cornerstone of her campaign, just to be reduced to this:

Gillibrand, a #MeToo Leader, to Headline Biden for Women Event

Democrats sure are a principled bunch.

[71 dB]

New (4/28/20) Emerson poll finds that 51 % if Bernie Sanders supporters are "very likely" or "somewhat likely" to consider voting third party or independent.

[JBS]

New (4/28/20) Emerson poll finds that 51 % if Bernie Sanders supporters are "very likely" or "somewhat likely" to consider voting third party or independent.

IOW about 10% of the overall electorate, if that much.

Remember, all Progressive candidates together in the presidential primaries got about 40% of the votes. That translates to between 15 and 20 percent of the general electorate. That in turn means that for every Progressive voter, there are two Trump supporters.

Which is why progressives lose so many times.

[71 dB]

Which is why progressives lose so many times.

Progressives lose because the system is rigged against them. In a fair democratic system Bernie Sanders would be the president, not Trump. The nomination was stolen from Bernie Sanders by the top 1 % in 2016 and again this year and Bernie would have beat Trump. That is the fact. Deal with it.

[SimonNZ]

"Consider" is a term vague enough to mean whatever you want it to in this context.

On the one hand it could mean "meh, I'll watch an ad or read a pamphlet if its right in front of me", or it could mean"Progressives lose because the system is rigged against them. In a fair democratic system Bernie Sanders would be the president, not Trump. The nomination was stolen from Bernie Sanders by the top 1 % in 2016 and again this year and Bernie would have beat Trump. That is the fact. Deal with it."

I suspect more of the former.