And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020

[JBS]

So WHY are Bernie and Kyle (and MILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE) touting MfA? Why Why Why??

They tout it out of ignorance and ideological blinders. In some cases, like Bernie and Kyle, it's a convenient route to political power. But your notion that simply having the government pay for everything is a solution is silly. The problems with our system would be made worse by Medicare for All.

[71 dB]

Progressive programs increase oligarchy and corruption. The more government interfaces with any activity, the more opportunity for corruption, and the greater the motivation for corruption.  They attract money into politics.

That ought to be obvious enough that I shouldn't need to explain it to you.

Would you say oligarchy and corruption in Russia is due to progressive programs?

[71 dB]

Simon at least knows about New Zealand's system,  which is not completely funded by the government
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_New_Zealand

I at least know Finnish system. I believe everyone is covered in New Zealand as is in Finland.

[71 dB]

They tout it out of ignorance and ideological blinders. In some cases, like Bernie and Kyle, it's a convenient route to political power. But your notion that simply having the government pay for everything is a solution is silly. The problems with our system would be made worse by Medicare for All.

Bernie would gain much more political power by going the corporate route and become male Nancy Pelosi. Instead he wants to help regular people. He is the amendment king and I'm sure many of his amendments have benefitted also you. Do you think Bernie coud have greated a detailed healthcare bill if he was ignorant? Kyle does read a lot of stuff to be able to make his commentary videos, so calling him ignorant is really silly. Are the physicians who support medicare for all also ignorant?

All people no matter what position, education or experience who disagree with you are simply ignorant? You are never ignorant yourself?

[71 dB]

Karl, how much were the medical bills caused by your stroke?
How much of it did your insurance pay of it and how much you paid out of pocket yourself?
Now you can educate me, make me less ignorant...

[JBS]

Bernie would gain much more political power by going the corporate route and become male Nancy Pelosi. Instead he wants to help regular people. He is the amendment king and I'm sure many of his amendments have benefitted also you. Do you think Bernie coud have greated a detailed healthcare bill if he was ignorant? Kyle does read a lot of stuff to be able to make his commentary videos, so calling him ignorant is really silly. Are the physicians who support medicare for all also ignorant?

All people no matter what position, education or experience who disagree with you are simply ignorant? You are never ignorant yourself?

Ideological blinders, pujo, ideological blinders. And populism has always been a good route to power.
Kyle is a propagandist aiming for political power. Your own ideological blinders make you unable to see this.
The membership of the College of Physicians are GPs and Internists. They are the medical speciality that would be most benefited financially by MfA.

I repeat the essential point: single payer would make the problems we have with health care worse, mainly by degrading the quality of care.

[JBS]

Would you say oligarchy and corruption in Russia is due to progressive programs?

Wherever there is government interaction with economic activity, there is the opportunity for corruption.  There's a lot of both in Russia. There's also some in Finland.

[Karl Henning]

So if Bernie becomes President, all the corruption goes away with a wave of his magic wand?

[Florestan]

All people no matter what position, education or experience who disagree with you are simply ignorant? You are never ignorant yourself?

This from the guy who incessantly claims all people no matter what position, education or experience who disagree with him are simply brainwashed.

[71 dB]

So if Bernie becomes President, all the corruption goes away with a wave of his magic wand?

Of course not, but hopefully things start moving to the right direction.

[71 dB]

There's also some [corruption] in Finland.

Yes. Finland is among the least corrupt countries in the World, but has definitely some corruption and even over here corruption has to be fought against.

[71 dB]

This from the guy who incessantly claims all people no matter what position, education or experience who disagree with him are simply brainwashed.

On this issue - healthcare in the US - that is the truth.

[Florestan]

On this issue - healthcare in the US - that is the truth.

No, it's not.

[71 dB]

Ideological blinders, pujo, ideological blinders. And populism has always been a good route to power.
Kyle is a propagandist aiming for political power. Your own ideological blinders make you unable to see this.
The membership of the College of Physicians are GPs and Internists. They are the medical speciality that would be most benefited financially by MfA.

I repeat the essential point: single payer would make the problems we have with health care worse, mainly by degrading the quality of care.

Populism indeed is a route to power and most of the time populism is a negative thing in politics. For example in Finland a populist party True Finns has gotten very popular being populous (being against immigrants etc. like the Reps in the US) and it is a very negative thing for Finnish politics making it less intellectual. Fortunately they are in opposition now, but after the next elections...   

However, in the US because of utter corruption and oligarchy left-wing populism is not only a good thing but much needed. Kyle is 31 now and has said he'd win the presidential election in the future when old enough to run, but doesn't want to be the president. He wants to be a political commentator.

Single payer is about how the care is financed. It is not about how it is executed. The US can have private healthcare providers (as France and Canada have).

[71 dB]

No, it's not.

Are you saying the current system is the best the US can ever have? 50 million Americans just have to accept being without healthcare or underinsured?

[Florestan]

Are you saying the current system is the best the US can ever have? 50 million Americans just have to accept being without healthcare or underinsured?

I'm saying it's not true that JBS and Karl Henning are brainwashed.

[71 dB]

I'm saying it's not true that JBS and Karl Henning are brainwashed.

Their opinions are quite similar to the message of corporate media which wants to protect the rigged system benefitting insurance companies and Big Pharma who pay big money for adds. Corporate media doesn't want to lose that add money, do they? What other reason JBS and Karl Henning would have to agree with corporate media than having swallowed the anti-MfA propaganda for decades? They are not benefactors of the current system, are they? They are not Big Pharma / Insurance Company CEO's or stock holders are they? They are not megarich are they? They have swallowed the pill and can't admit it to themselves or others so they keep repeating made up reasons to their opinions such "MfA would mean lower quality of care" (based on what evidence?). I haven't been very friendly in my words. I am frustrated and fed up being called ignorant after all the time I have spent on educating myself about these things.

[Karl Henning]

All people no matter what position, education or experience who disagree with you are simply ignorant? You are never ignorant yourself?

Tell us all about your experience with U.S. health care

[JBS]

I asked you about your experiences, but you are unwilling to share. Instead you ask a Finn to tell about experiences with U.S. health care.

The point is that we live with the system. We know through our own experience, and that if our families, neighbors, friends, co-workers, etc, what the problems are. We need neither CNN nor the Young Turks to tell us what the problems are, and we can judge for ourselves how much anyone in the media lies and distorts.  We are also able to judge for ourselves what would actually emerge from Congress if Bernie's bill were put through the legislative process.

[71 dB]

The point is that we live with the system. We know through our own experience, and that if our families, neighbors, friends, co-workers, etc, what the problems are.

In other words you have gotten used to the system you have and are scared of change.

We need neither CNN nor the Young Turks to tell us what the problems are, and we can judge for ourselves how much anyone in the media lies and distorts.

How would you make both CNN and the Young Turks stop talking about the issue? It's a hot potato. Millions of people demand single payer healthcare while the insurance companies and Big Pharma try to uphold the rigged system that benefits them.

We are also able to judge for ourselves what would actually emerge from Congress if Bernie's bill were put through the legislative process.

I don't know what would "emerge". However, I am confident it would be a clear improvent to the current system. As Kyle Kulinski says, even if Bernie gets only 20 % of his stuff implemented it would mean significant improvements to the country.