And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020

[Florestan]

Vote for who you want and say what you want.

That's exactly what they (American GMGers, that is) did, do and will keep doing without ever asking for your approval. They will nevertheless appreciate your generosity and open-mindedness, I'm quite sure of that.

[71 dB]

Bernie's plans claims to be able to provide everyone better health care for free, and most drugs for a minimal charge. How many countries do that?

There is no "free" healthcare. There is just ways to pay for it. As single payer healthcare is payed by taxes, it means rich people pay more, poor people less which mean everyone can afford healtcare. It's no different from the fire department. It's payed by taxes too and rich people pay more than poor people. As single payer saves money, but it's not "free."

Big Pharma price gauges in the US because it can. It has bought the politicians to do so. In countries where politician serve the people rather than the top 1 % the drug prices are reasonable and often at least partially payed by the government so that everyone can afford their medicine and no die because of that. In Finland for example 577,66 euros (about $600) is the most one needs to pay for drugs within one year. Bernie's plan is $200, three times lower than in Finland. The US is a richer country than Finland so it can do that for it's citizens. Maybe it's needed, because the social security isn't as good as in Finland and $200 for poor Americans is about the same as $600 for poor Finns. Every country has it's one way to do these things, but Americans pay the highest prices for drugs by far.

[71 dB]

That's exactly what they (American GMGers, that is) did, do and will keep doing without ever asking for your approval. They will nevertheless appreciate your generosity and open-mindedness, I'm quite sure of that.

Yes, and who is leading in the delegates? Yes, Bernie Sanders. I am treaded like a lunatic supporting Bernie, but what I am actually supporting the candidate with most delegates so if anyone here represents the will of democratic voters it's me! I actually understand American workers who struggle and want change. Members like Karl and JBS seem to be totally clueless of these things. I don't know why that is (too much corporate media?), but that's how it is.

[ritter]

Oh ciel, che noia!

[Florestan]

Yes, and who is leading in the delegates? Yes, Bernie Sanders. I am treaded like a lunatic supporting Bernie, but what I am actually supporting the candidate with most delegates so if anyone here represents the will of democratic voters it's me! I actually understand American workers who struggle and want change. Members like Karl and JBS seem to be totally clueless of these things. I don't know why that is (too much corporate media?), but that's how it is.

I sincerely hope you will survive November 2020, ie Trump's winning a second term.

[SimonNZ]

Yes, and who is leading in the delegates? Yes, Bernie Sanders. I am treaded like a lunatic supporting Bernie, but what I am actually supporting the candidate with most delegates so if anyone here represents the will of democratic voters it's me! I actually understand American workers who struggle and want change. Members like Karl and JBS seem to be totally clueless of these things. I don't know why that is (too much corporate media?), but that's how it is.

You wouldn't have the first idea of where Karl and JBS get their news from. Try guessing - I'll bet you cant. And even if they told you the variety of names you'd have no firsthand experience of any of them so couldn't say if they live up to your definition of "corporate".

[71 dB]

I sincerely hope you will survive November 2020, ie Trump's winning a second term.

We don't even know who will be the democratic nominee. Trump can't breath easy if Bernie is the nominee. How can he compete with Bernie in the rust belt? He is a fake populist. Bernie is a real populist.

[SimonNZ]

Trump can't breath easy if Bernie is the nominee.

Its clear from dozens of Trumps public utterances and tweets that he desperately wants Sanders to be his rival in the general.

You'd know that if you stepped out of your YT bubble.

[71 dB]

Its clear from dozens of Trumps public utterances and tweets that he desperately wants Sanders to be his rival in the general.

You'd know that if you stepped out of your YT bubble.

So those polls are bs and Trump knows better? You didn't hear the tape??

Bernie is winning, has delegates which PROVES americans WANT lefty policies BECAUSE right wing oligarcy makes them struggle!!

[Karl Henning]

So those polls are bs and Trump know better?

Yes, polls that say that Trump is frightened of Bernie are BS

[Mirror Image]

Too bad 71 dB doesn't use his time on the forum to talk about music anymore, especially since this is the main goal of this forum --- you know, to discuss music. He's clearly obsessed with American politics to the point where it begs the question whether he's even able to sleep at night. Go outside sometime, 71 dB. Breath in the air. There is a world beyond Bernie Sanders (who you apparently put on a pedestal as if he's some kind of god). Scary times we live in that someone would do such a thing in the first place.

[SimonNZ]

So those polls are bs and Trump knows better?

2016 should have taught everyone not to put too much faith in polling.

But anyway this is just polling today, and meaningless because we haven't yet started to see what dirty tricks and swiftboating the Trump team has planned for Sanders.

You're going to suggest that it will all be water off a ducks back to Sanders and he'll rise above it all beatifically. But no, its going to be ugly.

[71 dB]

Too bad 71 dB doesn't use his time on the forum to talk about music anymore, especially since this is the main goal of this forum --- you know, to discuss music. He's clearly obsessed with American politics to the point where it begs the question whether he's even able to sleep at night. Go outside sometime, 71 dB. Breath in the air. There is a world beyond Bernie Sanders (who you apparently put on a pedestal as if he's some kind of god). Scary times we live in that someone would do such a thing in the first place.

When I make a music related post it is often ignored. My political posts are not ignored. That makes me feel it's politics you want me to post about

[JBS]

There is no "free" healthcare. There is just ways to pay for it. As single payer healthcare is payed by taxes, it means rich people pay more, poor people less which mean everyone can afford healtcare. It's no different from the fire department. It's payed by taxes too and rich people pay more than poor people. As single payer saves money, but it's not "free."

Big Pharma price gauges in the US because it can. It has bought the politicians to do so. In countries where politician serve the people rather than the top 1 % the drug prices are reasonable and often at least partially payed by the government so that everyone can afford their medicine and no die because of that. In Finland for example 577,66 euros (about $600) is the most one needs to pay for drugs within one year. Bernie's plan is $200, three times lower than in Finland. The US is a richer country than Finland so it can do that for it's citizens. Maybe it's needed, because the social security isn't as good as in Finland and $200 for poor Americans is about the same as $600 for poor Finns. Every country has it's one way to do these things, but Americans pay the highest prices for drugs by far.

Bernie's plan won't reduce Big Pharma's profits. It will merely increase the percentage they recieve from the government. 

Klobuchar had a plan that would actually cut their profits.  Did Kulinski ever mention it to you?

Bernie promised that patients would pay little or nothing for doctor visits.
That's what I meant by free health care . He of course made no mention of how long they would need to wait for an appointment, or how many doctor visits they would be allowed. 

[71 dB]

2016 should have taught everyone not to put too much faith in polling.

But anyway this is just polling today, and meaningless because we haven't yet started to see what dirty tricks and swiftboating the Trump team has planned for Sanders.

You're going to suggest that it will all be water off a ducks back to Sanders and he'll rise above it all beatifically. But no, its going to be ugly.

2016 polling was right. Hillary got more votes just as indicated by the polls. It was just the idiots interpreted the poll incorrectly and didn't realise Hillary was WEAK on rust belt.

Yes, dirty tricks will come, but Bernie has means to answer them because he is true progressive. He can expose what a lier/conman Trump is.

[SimonNZ]

When I make a music related post it is often ignored. My political posts are not ignored. That makes me feel it's politics you want me to post about

That's a lie, and you know it's a lie because you know people have asked you to stop with this nonsense zealotry.

[Karl Henning]

(If it's transactional) Pete and Amy's Voters Could Give Biden a Genuinely Super Tuesday

[Karl Henning]

Biden and Bernie look neck-&-neck-ish in Texas.

Bernie seems heavily favored in California.

[71 dB]

Bernie promised that patients would pay little or nothing for doctor visits.
That's what I meant by free health care . He of course made no mention of how long they would need to wait for an appointment, or how many doctor visits they would be allowed.

That's the point of tax money paid things. You pay taxes, but things are free at the point of service.

[JBS]

So those polls are bs and Trump knows better? You didn't hear the tape??

Bernie is winning, has delegates which PROVES americans WANT lefty policies BECAUSE right wing oligarcy makes them struggle!!

If you checked you'd discover a lot of the oligarchs are leftists...because they know the elitism inherent in progressivism will help them keep their money.

We don't even know who will be the democratic nominee. Trump can't breath easy if Bernie is the nominee. How can he compete with Bernie in the rust belt? He is a fake populist. Bernie is a real populist.

In American terms, Sanders is as equally a fake populist as Trump.  Improving people's lives is not populism. Populism means giving the people control over their own lives, for better or for worse. Sanders's agenda is based on  giving government bureaucrats control over their lives.