And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020

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Quote from: SimonNZ on March 12, 2020, 05:40:07 AM
Try Al Jazeera or BBC World. For a start.

I do check BBC World from time to time.
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Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 12, 2020, 08:11:41 AM
From the Department of Guarded Optimism

Biden has all but won the nomination – and Trump is looking vulnerable

"Nowadays leftist Democrats are joining forces with the Trump campaign to spread disinformation about Biden's health."

Or maybe just maybe the left is genuinely worried about Biden's ability to beat Trump? Sure, the left doesn't like Biden's "nothing will fundamentally change" politics, but the left wants rid of Trump just as much as moderate Dems. Everyone who thinks Biden has the mental capacity he had just a few years ago is in denial of ignorant. The signs are clear as day. The left is worried for a good reason. The left was right in 2016 warning about Trump. Kyle Kulinski warned about Trump early 2016 before Trump became the nominee. He was right in his warnings because he saw how Trump's fake populism can beat Hillary Clinton's corporate centrism. Well, Trump won. Meanwhile delusional out of touch DNC was sure about Hillary Clinton and robbed the nomination from Bernie.

"Democrats aren't just looking for electability – they want competence."

Competence? Biden voted for the Iraq war believing the military industry lies of weapons of mass destruction. Bernie didn't believe these lies (he doesn't have to believe lies because he is not bought by corporations to do so) and voted against the disastrous war. Which one had more competence in retrospective? Do you want Biden in the White House to possibly do the favour to the military industry complex and start war with Iran, or do you want Bernie there who we know would stay as far as possible from unnecessory wars in Iran or anywhere else?
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SimonNZ

Quote from: 71 dB on March 12, 2020, 08:32:51 AM
I do check BBC World from time to time.

In future try giving them the time you'd previously wasted on TYT.

71 dB

Quote from: SimonNZ on March 12, 2020, 10:23:34 AM
In future try giving them the time you'd previously wasted on TYT.

Sorry if I sound arrogant, but I don't "adjust" my news media usage based on some guy on the other side of the Globe. You can avoid TYT if you want. That's your choice. Please allow me to have my choices.
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SimonNZ

You're the one who asked what news source they should be giving their time. I answered.

Was that just a rhetorical question as the answer is obviously TYT?

greg

Those news sources are probably the best for starters but only relying on them would be a mistake. If anyone, literally anyone can prove something that a major news source won't mention, then they can be a supplemental news source.
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SimonNZ

I say " for a start" in my post. And specifically as a recommendation to 71 to get him off TUT and more exposed to real reporting. If you or anyone don't care  to watch them I'm not going to insist you must.

I never said to only rely on them.

BasilValentine

Quote from: 71 dB on March 12, 2020, 09:04:23 AM

Competence? Biden voted for the Iraq war believing the military industry lies of weapons of mass destruction. Bernie didn't believe these lies (he doesn't have to believe lies because he is not bought by corporations to do so) and voted against the disastrous war. Which one had more competence in retrospective? Do you want Biden in the White House to possibly do the favour to the military industry complex and start war with Iran, or do you want Bernie there who we know would stay as far as possible from unnecessory wars in Iran or anywhere else?

You don't know recent history. The liars in this case were members of the Bush administration and factions within the intelligence community. Yes Sanders voted against the war. What is your basis for saying he did so because he didn't believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction rather than that he did so despite thinking they did?

71 dB

Quote from: BasilValentine on March 12, 2020, 11:54:17 AM
You don't know recent history. The liars in this case were members of the Bush administration and factions within the intelligence community.

And...?? The Bush administration lied on behalf of the military industry complex. That's how corruption works. The military industry complex bought the administration and the corporate media (to mislead Americans to think war in Iraq is needed) and got what it wanted in return. If I don't know recent history, you don't seem to know the basic aspects of US politics.

Quote from: BasilValentine on March 12, 2020, 11:54:17 AMYes Sanders voted against the war. What is your basis for saying he did so because he didn't believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction rather than that he did so despite thinking they did?

Why would have Bernie voted against war in Iraq if he thought they had weapons of mass destruction? Anyway, doesn't matter, because he has said he didn't believe the lie. Again, not being bought allows you to reject unbelievable claims.

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Quote from: SimonNZ on March 12, 2020, 11:49:22 AM
I say " for a start" in my post. And specifically as a recommendation to 71 to get him off TUT and more exposed to real reporting. If you or anyone don't care  to watch them I'm not going to insist you must.

I never said to only rely on them.

How do you define real reporting? What makes TYT less real? TYT doesn't take money from Big Pharma. Corporate media takes. Now, explain me the logic of TYT being less real Big Pharma reporting that what you have on corporate media. Do you think you are more likely to expose Big Pharma price gouging when you take their money (showing their adds)?
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Quote from: 71 dB on March 12, 2020, 12:11:50 PM
How do you define real reporting? What makes TYT less real?

Kyle isn't a reporter, he's a bloviator.  And no, nobody expects you to alter your investigations to actual news sources, rather than the self-styled "experts" who give you your confirmation bias.
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Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 12, 2020, 02:47:35 PM
Kyle isn't a reporter, he's a bloviator.  And no, nobody expects you to alter your investigations to actual news sources, rather than the self-styled "experts" who give you your confirmation bias.

Kyle Kulinski is not part of The Young Turks. Kyle Kulinski co-founded The Justice Democrats with TYT's Cenk Uygur.
Kyle Kulinski is a political commentator with university degree in political sciences and 821.000 Youtube subsbribers and half billion views rivaling the viewership of corporate media outlets such as MSNBC and he is one guy with a microphone earning his living having enough Patrions (Youtube demonetizes left-wing channels like crazy these days).  ;D
TYT is the largest progressive/left-wing outlet in the Youtube with nearly 5 million subscribers.

Maybe you prefer corporate media with it's confirmation bias of Biden's superior electability.  ;D
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Florestan

If it wouldn't mean losing 8 months of my life, I'd very much like it to be November 2020 next week, so that the whole kerfuffle end one way or another.  ;D
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BasilValentine

Quote from: 71 dB on March 12, 2020, 12:06:20 PM
Why would have Bernie voted against war in Iraq if he thought they had weapons of mass destruction? Anyway, doesn't matter, because he has said he didn't believe the lie. Again, not being bought allows you to reject unbelievable claims.

To avoid a pointless foreign entanglement. Because he understood that the Iraqi's had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack and that the alleged WMDs were just a pretext, whether or not they existed. 

Karl Henning

Quote from: 71 dB on March 12, 2020, 04:03:18 PM
Kyle Kulinski is not part of The Young Turks. Kyle Kulinski co-founded The Justice Democrats with TYT's Cenk Uygur.
Kyle Kulinski is a political commentator with university degree in political sciences and 821.000 Youtube subsbribers and half billion views rivaling the viewership of corporate media outlets such as MSNBC and he is one guy with a microphone earning his living having enough Patrions (Youtube demonetizes left-wing channels like crazy these days).  ;D
TYT is the largest progressive/left-wing outlet in the Youtube with nearly 5 million subscribers.

Maybe you prefer corporate media with it's confirmation bias of Biden's superior electability.  ;D

I prefer actual news sources. I thought you had more intelligence then to assert that "821.000 Youtube subsbribers (sic) can't be wrong"
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
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His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Florestan

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 12, 2020, 04:42:54 PM
I thought you had more intelligence

You were obviously wrong. Actually, you should have known better long time ago.
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SimonNZ

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 12, 2020, 04:42:54 PM
I prefer actual news sources. I thought you had more intelligence then to assert that "821.000 Youtube subsbribers (sic) can't be wrong"

Reminds me of that running gag in So I Married An Ax Murderer about the Weekly World News being the "news" and the claim that it had the fourth highest circulation.

Karl Henning

Quote from: Florestan on March 12, 2020, 04:48:05 PM
You were obviously wrong. Actually, you should have known better long time ago.

Fair enough! In my defense, it was an empty rhetorical flourish.
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
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His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: 71 dB on March 12, 2020, 04:03:18 PM
Kyle Kulinski is not part of The Young Turks. Kyle Kulinski co-founded The Justice Democrats with TYT's Cenk Uygur.
Kyle Kulinski is a political commentator with university degree in political sciences and 821.000 Youtube subsbribers and half billion views rivaling the viewership of corporate media outlets such as MSNBC and he is one guy with a microphone earning his living having enough Patrions (Youtube demonetizes left-wing channels like crazy these days).  ;D
TYT is the largest progressive/left-wing outlet in the Youtube with nearly 5 million subscribers.

Maybe you prefer corporate media with it's confirmation bias of Biden's superior electability.  ;D

So, with his university degree in poli sci, and his 821.000 Youtube subscribers: was he right about Super Tuesday?
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: SimonNZ on March 12, 2020, 04:49:03 PM
Reminds me of that running gag in So I Married An Ax Murderer about the Weekly World News being the "news" and the claim that it had the fourth highest circulation.

Yes! Fun movie!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot