And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020

[71 dB]

     I think single payer will always involve the same tradeoffs, free primary care and superior outcomes and longer waits for specialist care. It makes sense to me.

     We are not in the panacea business, we are in the best choices for public policy business.

Totally agree. For profit healthcare system doesn't allow "best choices for public policy", because private businesses don't care about the public. They care about profit. JBS thinks this is about whether bureaucrats run healthcare or not, but that's pretty irrelevant. The real problem is incentives. You just can't get even close to optimal healthcare results for the money spent when profit is the ultimate incentive. Common sense says it. Evidence says it. Sadly in the US these two things don't matter because of oligarchy.

Americans need to learn that when there is no oligarchy and instead there is real democracy, the government with all the bureaucrats can do wonderful things, but these wonderful things don't happen if you don't end the oligarchy first. Biden won't end oligarchy. He IS oligarchy. To fight oligarchy you need someone like Bernie Sanders or Tulsi Gabbard in the White House. That's just how it is.

[Florestan]

Given the high toxicity and extreme uselessnes of these bloody damned fucking political threads, in which I sooner or later get to post things I regret the next day, I've resolved to never ever again post in any of them. This time it's for real and for good, so help me God!

[Karl Henning]

"Scorched earth" Bernie Bros

Bernie Bros warn of 'massive exodus' if Democrats nominate Joe Biden

[TMHeimer]

When I was still an American I guess I hardly noticed it. But you know, 1  1/2  to 2 years of campaigning is really ludicrous. I believe in Canada the campaigns are limited to 30 or 60 days, like in the U.K. and probably other countries. How do you guys stand it? Don't you just want to throw up your hands and say "who cares, I've had enough"?  And we only see it when watching U.S. TV with U.S. commercials.

[Karl Henning]

When I was still an American I guess I hardly noticed it. But you know, 1  1/2  to 2 years of campaigning is really ludicrous. I believe in Canada the campaigns are limited to 30 or 60 days, like in the U.K. and probably other countries. How do you guys stand it? Don't you just want to throw up your hands and say "who cares, I've had enough"?  And we only see it when watching U.S. TV with U.S. commercials.

Exhausting, indeed.

[SimonNZ]

When I was still an American I guess I hardly noticed it. But you know, 1  1/2  to 2 years of campaigning is really ludicrous. I believe in Canada the campaigns are limited to 30 or 60 days, like in the U.K. and probably other countries. How do you guys stand it? Don't you just want to throw up your hands and say "who cares, I've had enough"?  And we only see it when watching U.S. TV with U.S. commercials.

I read that as "throw up in your hands" with the first pass.

[71 dB]

"Scorched earth" Bernie Bros

Bernie Bros warn of 'massive exodus' if Democrats nominate Joe Biden

Kyle Kulinski just posted a new video about how Biden would veto medicare for all EVEN IF it passes congress. Kyle says: "If I know you'll fight for a couple of issues important for me I'll vote for you, but when you give me the middle finger on EVERY issue important to me what am I supposed to do? Vote for you? Why?"

[Marc]

When I was still an American I guess I hardly noticed it. But you know, 1  1/2  to 2 years of campaigning is really ludicrous. I believe in Canada the campaigns are limited to 30 or 60 days, like in the U.K. and probably other countries. How do you guys stand it? Don't you just want to throw up your hands and say "who cares, I've had enough"?  And we only see it when watching U.S. TV with U.S. commercials.

And it's gotten even worse the last 3 years, now that almost every speech, announcement or press conference of the POTUS has become a campaign rally, too.

[SimonNZ]

Kyle Kulinski just posted a new video about how Biden would veto medicare for all EVEN IF it passes congress. Kyle says: "If I know you'll fight for a couple of issues important for me I'll vote for you, but when you give me the middle finger on EVERY issue important to me what am I supposed to do? Vote for you? Why?"

Absolutely nobody here cares what Kyle thinks,

The only reason you could have to keep going on about him is to troll. Please stop. Find a different source if you want to persuade anyone of anything. Ideally in print.

Really: there is no need to ever mention Kyle again. Its been made endlessly clear to you that nobody here respects him or trusts him or is going to follow another link to him.

[71 dB]

Absolutely nobody here cares what Kyle thinks,

The only reason you could have to keep going on about him is to troll. Please stop. Find a different source if you want to persuade anyone of anything. Ideally in print.

Really: there is no need to ever mention Kyle again. Its been made endlessly clear to you that nobody here respects him or trusts him or is going to follow another link to him.

Jesus you are triggered by Kyle. Unbelievable.

[SimonNZ]

Jesus you are triggered by Kyle. Unbelievable.

No. Just frustrated at the pointlessness of it.

You want to persuade people, right. It should be clear by now that posting Kyle's thoughts is persuading noone. So try something else. Try a print source that both you and others might agree is worth their time and consideration.

[Karl Henning]

Jesus you are triggered by Kyle. Unbelievable.

He's right, you're trolling.

[Karl Henning]

No. Just frustrated at the pointlessness of it.

You want to persuade people, right. It should be clear by now that posting Kyle's thoughts is persuading noone. So try something else. Try a print source that both you and others might agree is worth their time and consideration.

Poju, think back to a time before your preoccupation with Trump, and so, even berfore your unhealthy obsession that Bernie is the sole possible savior from Trump:

Remember how you tried to convince all of GMG that Elgar is the greatest composer in the world?  And near the start of that crusade, IIRC, you carpet-bombed the Mahler thread.

You remember how several GMG'ers were, for a long while ready to not listen to any Elgar, thanks to your fanboy hectoring?

Take a lesson from your own past mistakes!

[71 dB]

No. Just frustrated at the pointlessness of it.

You want to persuade people, right. It should be clear by now that posting Kyle's thoughts is persuading noone. So try something else. Try a print source that both you and others might agree is worth their time and consideration.

It doesn't matter whether it's "print source" or a Youtube video. What is written or said matters. That's source critisism. Ben Shapiro's videos suck, because the guy regurtates Koch brother's talking points and tries to make them fit to the reality and facts with comical results. Kyle Kulinski rocks, because he isn't a hack. He has got stunning intellectual honesty and is highly principled. That's why what he says is great stuff even if it isn't "print source." and surely you agree some print sources are bad. There is a reason why Kyle Kulinski is admired on the left. He is damn good at what he does and you can count on his integrity.

I mentioned some time ago Noam Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent." That's a book if you want print source, but the message is the same Kyle Kulinski has, because Noam Chomsky is a major role model for Kyle.

[Marc]

Poju, think back to a time before your preoccupation with Trump, and so, even berfore your unhealthy obsession that Bernie is the sole possible savior from Trump:

Remember how you tried to convince all of GMG that Elgar is the greatest composer in the world?  And near the start of that crusade, IIRC, you carpet-bombed the Mahler thread.

You remember how several GMG'ers were, for a long while ready to not listen to any Elgar, thanks to your fanboy hectoring?

Take a lesson from your own past mistakes!

Elgar the greatest? 



I thought Dittersdorf.

I would never ever allow any GMG member to stop me from listening to any composer btw, not even Dittersdorf. If someone's a drag or a troll in too many threads, no matter whether well-meant advices do or do not work at all...:



Let's face it: too many people have been 'threatening' to leave threads, sections and boards already a dozen times, either because they wanted to protect themselves or because they experienced too much verbal aggresion against them. Many of them did return almost immediately. Poju is one of them. He is into this board, he is into his topics, and his behaviour & most of his ideas won't change.

I don't give a [....] about his Kyle and his thoughts anyway.
I'm a free-thinker, therefore I'm free.

[71 dB]

Poju, think back to a time before your preoccupation with Trump, and so, even berfore your unhealthy obsession that Bernie is the sole possible savior from Trump:

Remember how you tried to convince all of GMG that Elgar is the greatest composer in the world?  And near the start of that crusade, IIRC, you carpet-bombed the Mahler thread.

You remember how several GMG'ers were, for a long while ready to not listen to any Elgar, thanks to your fanboy hectoring?

Take a lesson from your own past mistakes!

I genuinely think Bernie is BY FAR the best option for the next president and I am certainly entitled to such opinion. Now, what am I as a Bernie supporter supposed to say about Bernie and Biden on this tread to do it properly?

What comes to Elgar, I gave up completely promoting him because it doesn't really matter if people like Elgar or not, but it does matter a lot if oligarchy continues. It mean a lot of unnecessory suffering and puts the whole planet in danger when climate change is not properly addressed.

[SimonNZ]

It doesn't matter whether it's "print source" or a Youtube video. What is written or said matters. That's source critisism. Ben Shapiro's videos suck, because the guy regurtates Koch brother's talking points and tries to make them fit to the reality and facts with comical results. Kyle Kulinski rocks, because he isn't a hack. He has got stunning intellectual honesty and is highly principled. That's why what he says is great stuff even if it isn't "print source." and surely you agree some print sources are bad. There is a reason why Kyle Kulinski is admired on the left. He is damn good at what he does and you can count on his integrity.

I mentioned some time ago Noam Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent." That's a book if you want print source, but the message is the same Kyle Kulinski has, because Noam Chomsky is a major role model for Kyle.

Eleven. The number of things I disagree with in that post is eleven.

What's more it didn't address my point that as nobody here respects Kyle there is no point using him in an attempt to persuade people.

[Marc]

Eleven. The number of things I disagree with in that post is eleven.

What's more it didn't address my point that as nobody here respects Kyle there is no point using him in an attempt to persuade people.

As far as I can see, nobody is persuading anyone here (well, there might be a very rare exception here and there... maybe). With or without links or anything.
Some people agree, and some people disagree... if you'd check likewise discussions 5 years ago you might find that most opinions have not changed.

Let's suppose next time Poju will say/claim something without a link and then someone (maybe even you) might ask: source?
And voilà, there's our Kyle again.

Neither you, me or Poju are allowed to vote in the USA. But, from time to time, we show our interest and commitmentin in these threads, because we (apparently) care. We have our opinions, share them and sometimes throw in our (valid or not) sources. Let's just continue with that and accept disagreement. Trust me, you and Poju will disagree until the bitter end. Reactions like "stop posting here" won't help or solve the disagreements or 'problems', as history has proven time after time again. Only ignoring might lighten the frustation a bit. And if someone is truly insulting and continues to do so... just report it to the mods. But I bet that posting links from Kyle and defending his opinions continuously won't be seen as 'insulting'.

[Karl Henning]

I posted that patiently and plainly for your benefit, Poju. But, no more than news sources: you didn't read for content, you read to know how you should reply only to rationalize your behavior.
Shan't waste my time thus, again: you are a supreme and incorrigible ass.

[71 dB]

Eleven. The number of things I disagree with in that post is eleven.

What's more it didn't address my point that as nobody here respects Kyle there is no point using him in an attempt to persuade people.

You are entitled to have your opinion about Kyle just like I am, but you are putting a lot of faith on your assumption that "nobody" here respects Kyle. I am somebody even if nobody ELSE was in my camp. I think a lot of members here do read this treads without participating themselves. Maybe they want to stay silent seeing how toxic these discussions can be. I don't blame them. I am crazy to continue this, but it's difficult to stop (addiction or something...) Maybe some of them agree with me about Kyle? I mean he has got over 800.000 subscribers.