And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020

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Quote from: Daverz on March 19, 2020, 10:59:50 AM
Sorry, I was alluding to the Electoral College.  But yeah, voter suppression as well.

It should be pointed out that that bit of voter suppression was engineered by the GOP controlled state government of Texas, with the probable intention of helping Trump in November. 

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Quote from: 71 dB on March 19, 2020, 10:56:26 AM
Looks like that. Texas lost 70.000 votes I believe. Some people say that was made to make Biden the winner...  :P

You know who else says, "Some people say..." a lot? Yep, Trump, and it's indicative of bullshit.
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Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 19, 2020, 11:06:40 AM
You know who else says, "Some people say..." a lot? Yep, Trump, and it's indicative of bullshit.

It also means I don't have hard facts on it so I don't call it a hard fact. That's being principled.
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There is a way how Biden can earn Kyle Kulinski's vote (and Kyle will even advocate him on his Youtube show):

If Biden picks Nina Turner or Bernie Sanders as his VP Kyle Kulinski will vote for him. I'm sure a lot of currently demoralized lefties will do the same.

https://www.youtube.com/v/bbK4RoEPSzY

Change.org petition: Joe Biden must choose Nina Turner or Bernie Sanders for VP

"The progressive wing of the Democratic Party is sick and tired of being ignored.
We will only unite behind Joe Biden if we are absolutely certain he is willing to work with us.
The only way he can earn that trust is to pick a true progressive for VP. Specifically,
Bernie Sanders or Nina Turner. We will gladly unite behind Joe Biden if he makes this compromise.
If not, we won't vote in November or we will just vote 3rd party."




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Quote from: 71 dB on March 19, 2020, 02:19:55 PM
There is a way how Biden can earn Kyle Kulinski's vote (and Kyle will even advocate him on his Youtube show):

I've heard this Kulinski guy's name, but never watched one of his videos.  He sounds eminently ignorable.

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And Nina Turner is ? ? ?
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[Googles name]
Okay, no wonder I never heard of her.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Turner

That's idiotic.
She's not even up to Sarah Palin's level.

There are a number of black female progressives who could meet Kulinski's requirements.  Ayalla Pressley is a rather obvious one.

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Quote from: 71 dB on March 19, 2020, 02:19:55 PM
There is a way how Biden can earn Kyle Kulinski's vote (and Kyle will even advocate him on his Youtube show)

Wow!!! What a coup that would be for the former VPOTUS!!!
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Quote from: Daverz on March 19, 2020, 02:47:59 PM
I've heard this Kulinski guy's name, but never watched one of his videos.  He sounds eminently ignorable.

You can't fool me! It's Kulinski all the way down!  8)
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I would assume that whoever his pick is it wont be someone who is going to stubbornly fight him on every policy issue right from the get go and constantly proving the cliche that the perfect is the enemy of the good.

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Quote from: SimonNZ on March 19, 2020, 05:19:26 PM
I would assume that whoever his pick is it wont be someone who is going to stubbornly fight him on every policy issue right from the get go and constantly proving the cliche that the perfect is the enemy of the good.

And someone who can be thought of as capable of stepping into the shoes of a man who will be 78 on Inauguration Day in 2021.

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Quote from: 71 dB on March 19, 2020, 02:19:55 PM


If Biden picks Nina Turner or Bernie Sanders as his VP Kyle Kulinski will vote for him. I'm sure a lot of currently demoralized lefties will do the same.


Presidential candidates don't usually pick VP candidates close to eighty years old, so forget Bernie.

Sure you don't mean Tina Turner? She has some name recognition. Nina T doesn't.

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Quote from: 71 dB on March 19, 2020, 02:19:55 PM
There is a way how Biden can earn Kyle Kulinski's vote (and Kyle will even advocate him on his Youtube show):

The number of people who will care about either of these outcomes is approximately 3.
Nobody has to apologise for using their brain.

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Quote from: Madiel on March 20, 2020, 05:48:03 AM
The number of people who will care about either of these outcomes is approximately 3.

Rubbish. Don't project your views on other people. Kyle Kulinski has got over 800.000 subscribers on Youtube. Even if only 10 % of these cared about these outcomes it's 80.000+ people and if you care to subscribe to a Youtube channel you are likely to take seriously the content of the said channel.
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Quote from: SimonNZ on March 19, 2020, 05:19:26 PM
I would assume that whoever his pick is it wont be someone who is going to stubbornly fight him on every policy issue right from the get go and constantly proving the cliche that the perfect is the enemy of the good.

     Picking someone who is a little more emphatic about Dem programs than a centrist President won't hurt. We know that Dem voters want Dem programs. A program-centic veep might boost confidence that useful things will be done.

     This is me wishing: I wish people would be a little more careful about what they imagine Dem voters want. I see it as trying to reconcile their preferences with the available means of getting them enacted. When voters act "centrist" it doesn't mean they want centrist programs, if any there are, it means they have adopted a strategy that will get them something at the potential cost of getting something better.
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Quote from: 71 dB on March 20, 2020, 07:19:25 AM
Rubbish. Don't project your views on other people. Kyle Kulinski has got over 800.000 subscribers on Youtube. Even if only 10 % of these cared about these outcomes it's 80.000+ people and if you care to subscribe to a Youtube channel you are likely to take seriously the content of the said channel.

Well we all certainly hope that you'll continue to regurgitate Kyle's agitprop rubbish here at GMG.
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Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 20, 2020, 10:39:48 AM
Well we all certainly hope that you'll continue to regurgitate Kyle's agitprop rubbish here at GMG.

How is this rubbish? Kyle Kulinski is a lefty, a progressive. Joe Biden is not. We know this from his campaign rethoric and political history. There's nothing lefty or progressive about it. So, of course Kyle Kulinski wants some assurance of AT LEAST some progressiveness of his presidency and picking a progressive VP would be that. So, this is not rubbish. It is EXTREMELY logical!

Tell me how are lefties suppose to express their democratic will if voting third parties means wasting your vote and the other option is to vote for a corporate centrist because if you don't, Trump/Republicans win? The system is so sick and rigged the lefties have no fucking choice!!

The establishment destroyed the progressives again. It means WAR! A large part of the population has had it. It's WAR!
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Quote from: 71 dB on March 20, 2020, 11:05:04 AM
How is this rubbish? Kyle Kulinski is a lefty, a progressive. Joe Biden is not. We know this from his campaign rethoric and political history. There's nothing lefty or progressive about it. So, of course Kyle Kulinski wants some assurance of AT LEAST some progressiveness of his presidency and picking a progressive VP would be that. So, this is not rubbish. It is EXTREMELY logical!

Tell me how are lefties suppose to express their democratic will if voting third parties means wasting your vote and the other option is to vote for a corporate centrist because if you don't, Trump/Republicans win? The system is so sick and rigged the lefties have no fucking choice!!

The establishment destroyed the progressives again. It means WAR! A large part of the population has had it. It's WAR!

The primaries show that progressives, the kind that refuse to support centrism, got less than half the vote among Democrats. IOW, about 15% of voters. That's not a very large part of the population. Twice as many support Trump's ethno-nationalism.

The truth is that progressive ideas depend on using government regulation and control. That isn't popular in the US, even among Democrats. The core of what you sneer at as corporate centrism is a viable social welfare net. 

BTW, have you ever read Biden's platform? Among other things, it would bring down drug prices and hurt Big Pharma more than Bernie's would. Don't such things matter to you?

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Quote from: JBS on March 20, 2020, 11:41:53 AM
BTW, have you ever read Biden's platform? Among other things, it would bring down drug prices and hurt Big Pharma more than Bernie's would. Don't such things matter to you?

Bernie's plan: nobody pays more than $200 / years for drugs.
Biden's plan: nobody pays more than $199 / years for drugs? Sorry I don't believe.
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