What are you listening 2 now?

[Florestan]

It was Ravel who composed the first impressionistic piano piece with Jeux d'eau.

This is not quite accurate for two reasons. First, Ravel rejected "impressionistic" as a descriptor of his music. Secondly, if "impressionistic" can be applied to a piece of music regardless of what the composer thought, then Liszt's Les jeux d'eaux à la Villa d'Este is a more likely candidate for being the first such piece, as it predates Ravel's by almost 20 years.

[atardecer]

This is not quite accurate for two reasons. First, Ravel rejected "impressionistic" as a descriptor of his music. Secondly, if "impressionistic" can be applied to a piece of music regardless of what the composer thought, then Liszt's Les jeux d'eaux à la Villa d'Este is a more likely candidate for being the first such piece, as it predates Ravel's by almost 20 years.

Ok. It was the first piano piece within the sound world that originated with Debussy (who also rejected the term impressionism).

I disagree about Liszt. I think he was influential in terms of piano technique, in terms of harmony, not really. 

[Papy Oli]

Good morning all,

Concluding the set of Handel - Organ Concertos #10-15

by Pinnock/Preston

[Harry]

Nice, very nice. Stimmwerck at their best!

I will try that one this afternoon, looks very interesting!

[Florestan]

Ok. It was the first piano piece within the sound world that originated with Debussy (who also rejected the term impressionism).

I disagree about Liszt. I think he was influential in terms of piano technique, in terms of harmony, not really. 

Earlier, Faure's harmony was generic. Now, Liszt's harmony was not influential. Do you have more in stock? 

[Harry]

MARIN MARAIS (1656-1728).
Cinquième Livre de Pièces de Viole (1725).
CD I.
François Joubert-Caillet: Bass viol.
L'ACHÉRON.
Marie-Suzanne De Loye: Bass viol.
Andreas Linos: Bass viol.
Miguel Henry: Theorbo, Théorbe de pièces, Guitar.
André Heinrich: Theorbo.
Philippe Grisvard, Harpsichord.
Recording: église Notre-Dame de Centeilles, May 2021, October 2021.

The success of this series repeats itself in the last instalment, "Pieces de Violes", composed in 1725. I must say that I am quite attached to these interpretations, which are recorded in excellent sound. As to the performances it can hardly be bettered. By the by, there is quite a famous piece in this set, that made me grin from ear to ear, called ". Le Tableau de l'Opération de la Taille" (Representation of a Gallbladder operation, CD II)  complete with a spoken program.    

[Madiel]

It was the first piano piece within the sound world that originated with Debussy

Ravel is really going to hate you now. He was extremely shitty about people giving Debussy credit for some things that Ravel actually did first, in Jeux d'eau, and just about the constant comparison.

[Madiel]

First unwrapping of today's arrivals. I decided to respect the CD tracklisting and go for the Berg first.

[atardecer]

Ravel is really going to hate you now. He was extremely shitty about people giving Debussy credit for some things that Ravel actually did first, in Jeux d'eau, and just about the constant comparison.

Sigh.

Earlier, Faure's harmony was generic. Now, Liszt's harmony was not influential. Do you have more in stock? 

Yes, I was probably being too simplistic earlier talking about Debussy being the *one guy*, of course Ravel deserves credit. Some others that come to mind are: Wagner, Mussorgsky and Satie, also influential. The latter I think probably more in terms of harmony than Liszt. Liszt primarily piano effects in this case. I'm not saying his impact on music as a whole is limited to that. But saying he was the first impressionist? (Or whatever word you want to use). I don't hear it. I don't get how somehow my claims are more controversial here than Florestan's claim about Liszt, or Hamelin's claim that Faure's impact on harmony in music is equal to Debussy.

[Madiel]

Hamelin's claim that Faure's impact on harmony in music is equal to Debussy.

This is not what he said, in at least 2 respects. Neither "impact" nor "Debussy" are mentioned.

In terms of "impact", one of the most common remarks about Faure is how he really didn't establish a school or followers in his style.

I really do wish you would stop, given your complete inability to respond to what was said rather than what you've imagined was said.

[Madiel]

Next unwrapping from today's arrivals. Going with the trio for piano, clarinet and viola.

[Florestan]

Yes, I was probably being too simplistic earlier talking about Debussy being the *one guy*, of course Ravel deserves credit. Some others that come to mind are: Wagner, Mussorgsky and Satie, also influential. The latter I think probably more in terms of harmony than Liszt. Liszt primarily piano effects in this case. I'm not saying his impact on music as a whole is limited to that. But saying he was the first impressionist? (Or whatever word you want to use). I don't hear it. I don't get how somehow my claims are more controversial here than Florestan's claim about Liszt, or Hamelin's claim that Faure's impact on harmony in music is equal to Debussy.

If you go back to my post and read it again, carefully this time, you will (hopefully) realize that I did not claim Liszt was the first impressionist.

[Madiel]

Arrival number 3 of the day.

Divertimento in B flat, K.254



There's a decent chance the 4th package is Mozart too...

[atardecer]

If you go back to my post and read it again, carefully this time, you will (hopefully) realize that I did not claim Liszt was the first impressionist.

If he composed the first impressionist piano piece 20 years before Ravel, that would certainly make him the first. Perhaps I misunderstood you. Either way I took your comment as at least partly in jest.

Some of my comments have also been misrepresented, but oh well. I've said all I care to on the topic. Apologies in derailing this thread.

[Traverso]

Bach

CD 1

Frühe Orgelwerke

Schnitger Orgel Jakobi Kirche in Hamburg

[Harry]

BACH, Johann Sebastian (1685–1750)
Complete Organ works.
Volume I.
Toccata and Fugue in D minor, BWV 565.
Pastorale (Pastorella) in F major, BWV 590.
Partite diverse sopra il Corale 'O Gott, du frommer Gott', BWV 767.
Prelude and Fugue in G minor, BWV 535.
Canonic Variations on 'Vom Himmel hoch da komm' ich her', BWV 769.
Prelude and Fugue in E minor, BWV 548.

Masaaki Suzuki playing the Schnitger/ Hinz organ in the Martinikerk (Martin's Church), Groningen.
Pitch: a'= 465 Hz. Tuning: after Hinz, Variant of Neidhardt.
Recording: July 2014 at the Martinikerk, Groningen, The Netherlands.

Absolutely superb!

[Madiel]

...and arrival number 4 did indeed turn out to be the other Mozart disc.

Piano Trio no.4 in E major.

[Florestan]

If he composed the first impressionist piano piece 20 years before Ravel, that would certainly make him the first.

The first to write an impressionist piece, yes, not the first impressionist. Think of it this way: the Sturm-und-Drang style was the first Romantic outburst in music, but the fact that Haydn wrote Sturm-und-Drang music does not make him a Romantic. Moreover, whoever composed the first Sturm-und-Drang piece of music (insofar as such priority can be assessed) might be said to have written the first Romantic piece of music, not to be the first Romantic.

Besides, impressionism in music is a rather phantomatic concept. I am not aware of any composer who called himself impressionist and the two composers most closely associated (by others) with impressionism rejected the association.

[Madiel]

Andrei, liking all of my Mozart posts but not my Berg is both predictable and just a little funny.

The Berg is very good, incidentally.

[Madiel]

I feel I have no choice but to get back to my more chronological Mozart listening, so that I can eventually justify listening to my new purchases "properly". 

Symphony No.48, which is derived from the overture for Ascanio in Alba. I know I've listened to the opera at some point but don't remember much.