Why did great vampire movie felt down the drain whit time I explain it all

Started by Carlo Gesualdo, November 24, 2019, 11:06:36 AM

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Carlo Gesualdo

See prior to Bram Staker, the vampire in mythology in Europe( this included Turkey) was not about a good looking seducer.

What I am trying to say is the following, nowadays a vampire movie is exactly like this made for adolescent youth, for gurls, little gurls.

The ''evil'' vampire is good looking and seductive and the vampire hunter is seductive and good looking. Wait there more there is series about good looking vampire seducing women's fighting against ''evil'' vampire both of them hunks.

I read about vampire mythology seen an older movie such as Nosferatu made in Germany depict what is truly a vampire, a monster, what Hollywood is trying to make monster look seductive and hunks, this is cheezy real darn cheezy.

This is why the thematic of a vampire as almost vanished in the collective mind of adults, Hollywood kill the idea that vampire are a creepy monster, not that good looking not that nice, to format it in a Bram Staker oriented only crap for little gurls.

Before way back, we add real darn vampire movie, until movie and series producer manage to destroy the idea of the real mythos on the vampire, there more of a creep than Don Juan de Marco. Anyone agrees with whit me on this.

Is it a subliminal message to the young lady that vampire bad guy are seducer you should fall in love whit them, an insouciant message.

BasilValentine

I agree with what you wrote. The most disturbing vampire movie I have seen is the Swedish film Låt den Rätte Komma In (Let the Right One In), which is unlike either of the kinds of vampire films you cite.

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mc ukrneal

Never been much of a fan of Dracula, which is probably why my favorites are Love at First Bite and Abbot and Costello meet Frankenstein.

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Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
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Jo498

I am not too interested in the genre, but I wonder when vampires could become the "good guys", i.e. neither monsters like Nosferatu or ambiguous, evil seducers or seductresses?
It seems that "Interview with a Vampire" was a turning point.
I made it through the first season of "True blood" years ago (because I wanted to get the resolution of the mystery plot element) but I always found the central idea very unpersuasive: Most (or at least sufficiently many) vampires in this series are evil and treat humans as food at worst (and as lesser creatures at best), so the idea that human-vampire relations should be analoguous to relations of majorities with (often unjustifiedly mistreated) minorities that seems central to the series is quite idiotic (and if taken seriously would be devastating for the treatment of minorities).

Southern Baptists might be wrong in their attitude towards gays. But if there were vampires behaving like those in that show, it would be quite justified to treat them like mortal enemies of mankind, even if a few of them are "converted" and not quite as dangerous (like Bill or what his name is). (It's similar to that passage by CS Lewis about witches: We believe the witch hunts were unjust because we don't think witches ever existed. But if there really were people who would kill, cause disease etc. by black magic, it would be justified to treat them very harshly)
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Quote from: pjme on November 25, 2019, 03:55:43 AM


Christopher Lee!

I met Christopher Lee at a charity even when I was about 12. I was obsessed with horror films (still am really). He talked to me for ages and was really kind. He let me take his photo (under a golfing umbrella in the rain) and sent a charming reply when I sent a copy to him.
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"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

pjme

The Hammer vampire films lacked (technical) refinement but were big on atmosphere. As a teenager I read plenty of horror stories ( from Poe to Wells, Arthur Machen, some Lovecraft and M.R.James et.al....) and was swept away.
Christopher Lee is, for me, still the best Dracula.

vandermolen

Quote from: pjme on November 26, 2019, 01:56:18 AM
The Hammer vampire films lacked (technical) refinement but were big on atmosphere. As a teenager I read plenty of horror stories ( from Poe to Wells, Arthur Machen, some Lovecraft and M.R.James et.al....) and was swept away.
Christopher Lee is, for me, still the best Dracula.

I think that was part of their appeal. Like the old Jason and the Argonauts film being incomparably better than the more recent version.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

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Quote from: BasilValentine on November 24, 2019, 11:45:34 AM
I agree with what you wrote. The most disturbing vampire movie I have seen is the Swedish film Låt den Rätte Komma In (Let the Right One In), which is unlike either of the kinds of vampire films you cite.

     I just watched it again saw what "not a girl" meant. I missed it the first time.
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Quote from: pjme on November 26, 2019, 01:56:18 AM
The Hammer vampire films lacked (technical) refinement but were big on atmosphere. As a teenager I read plenty of horror stories ( from Poe to Wells, Arthur Machen, some Lovecraft and M.R.James et.al....) and was swept away.
Christopher Lee is, for me, still the best Dracula.

Yep, not least because he had the best Van Helsing in Peter Cushing.  Any Hammer movie with both of them in it is worth watching.... even those weird late Dracula movies set in swingin' 70s London have their charms  :laugh:



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     Jude Law starred in a vampire love story in the 90's, The Wisdom of Crocodiles, which didn't get good reviews. I think it's underrated and has a moody tragic tone unlike any other vampire film. However, I might have more tolerance for arty trashiness than others who like vampire films.
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