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SimonNZ

Kierkegaard is popular enough that Penguin Classics have kept three of his books constantly in print on their list with another three or four coming and going as required. Similar for other publishers of popular classics.

Karl Henning

Quote from: Florestan on August 21, 2020, 12:15:29 PM
Do you really believe that Biden ever read Kierkegaard?


The average college-educated American may easily have.  I don't think the thesis that Biden has read Kierkegaard, that something stayed with him, is any great stretch, do you?
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
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His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Todd

The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

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Karl Henning

Quote from: Florestan on August 21, 2020, 12:53:20 PM
Most American people have heard the name? I doubt it very .much, honestly.

Honestly, a solid majority of liberal-arts-educated Americans have heard the name, I dare assert.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: SimonNZ on August 21, 2020, 03:26:15 PM
Kierkegaard is popular enough that Penguin Classics have kept three of his books constantly in print on their list with another three or four coming and going as required. Similar for other publishers of popular classics.

Exactly.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: BasilValentine on August 21, 2020, 12:03:01 PM
In other words, you can't dispute a word of my post, you know it's all true, but you, like your candidate, can never admit you're wrong and have to resort to ad hominem comment when you're caught out. Have I divined the essence of your thoughts?

Troll's gonna troll.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

SimonNZ

Also: anyone who reads Dostoevsky is likely to encounter Kierkegaard in the introductions or in some other secondary reading, if they really hadn't already.

greg

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 21, 2020, 03:34:52 PM

The average college-educated American may easily have.  I don't think the thesis that Biden has read Kierkegaard, that something stayed with him, is any great stretch, do you?
I would guess around 50-70%. Intro to Philosophy is one of the main electives offered for required credit, I'd imagine most schools have something like that, and he definitely would be included in an overview.
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Todd

GMG says guesses are better than facts.  Not unexpected.
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

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ritter

Good to learn that some posters here on GMG do know for a fact what Mr. Biden has read or not.

greg

Quote from: Todd on August 21, 2020, 04:56:07 PM
GMG says guesses are better than facts.  Not unexpected.
*their guesses are better than facts

If I were to guess at something, and it happened to go against their political convictions, then my guesses are garbage because I don't spend several hours a day reading liberally-biased news articles which will only tell people what they want to hear anyways (ragebait Orange Man bad stuff), all done of course in a frantically meth-induced rabid foaming at the mouth zombie state, in the corner of a dimly lit room in a small laptop screen, all the while proclaiming how bad conspiracies are.

>:D :P
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SimonNZ

#1931
And here's mega-popular youtube bobblehead PewDiePie talking about Kierkegaard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqj3cpVjpI4


...which is probably how Biden knew it.


(edit: "talking" should be in scare quotes)

Todd

Quote from: greg on August 21, 2020, 05:15:45 PMragebait Orange Man bad stuff

Orange Man bad.  So bad.  The worst.
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

Panem et Artificialis Intelligentia

JBS

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 21, 2020, 03:38:18 PM
Honestly, a solid majority of liberal-arts-educated Americans have heard the name, I dare assert.

Kierkegaard's reach was extensive enough that he even was invoked in teaching modern Jewish philosophy. Mostly for his discussion of Abraham as the "knight of faith" and to compare/contrast with writers like Buber and Rav Soloveitchik. But he was referred to, and almost no other nonJewish thinkers were.

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Karl Henning

Quote from: ritter on August 21, 2020, 05:08:53 PM
Good to learn that some posters here on GMG do know for a fact what Mr. Biden has read or not.


(* chortle *)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: JBS on August 21, 2020, 05:41:07 PM
Kierkegaard's reach was extensive enough that he even was invoked in teaching modern Jewish philosophy. Mostly for his discussion of Abraham as the "knight of faith" and to compare/contrast with writers like Buber and Rav Soloveitchik. But he was referred to, and almost no other nonJewish thinkers were.

Most interesting.  Tangentially, the name Soloveitchik comes from the word for nightingale
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

drogulus


     From 2015:

In an emotional interview with TV host Stephen Colbert, US vice president Joe Biden mentioned that he'd found solace in the writing of Danish philosopher Søren Kierkegaard. He said that his wife, Jill Biden, had taped a Kierkegaard quote to the mirror, which read "Faith sees best in the dark."

     Even though I have a degree in guessing from Trump U, I decided to see if Biden might be familiar with Kierkegaard. He is.
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Florestan

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 21, 2020, 03:38:18 PM
Honestly, a solid majority of liberal-arts-educated Americans have heard the name, I dare assert.
This is certainly true.
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Florestan

#1938
Quote from: ritter on August 21, 2020, 05:08:53 PM
Good to learn that some posters here on GMG do know for a fact what Mr. Biden has read or not.

Well, Biden's having read Kierkegaard might be one of the reasons for his alleged cognitive decline. Kierkegaard's style is notoriously convoluted and abstruse, so Biden lost many of his neurons just by trying to make head or tail of The Sickness unto Death;D                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
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#1939
Quote from: Florestan on August 22, 2020, 03:22:13 AM
 

Well, Biden's having read Kierkegaard might be one of the reasons for his alleged cognitive decline. Kierkegaard's style is notoriously convoluted and abstruse, so Biden lost many of his neurons just by trying to make head or tail of The Sickness unto Death;D                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

In the original language, there's a poetic and Schwung-like quality to his texts. I can't say if this is also present in translations, which I suppose can be very varied.