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USA Politics
« on: June 09, 2020, 09:18:46 AM »
Dear forum members,

The moderators have decided to create and enforce a SINGLE thread on USA Politics.
This thread will cover all discussions on political developments, movements, and personalities in the United States of America.

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The Diner offers an opportunity for members to talk also about other topics than classical music, including politics.
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Those who show no or little interest in participating in the classical music discussons on this forum and whose sole or main focus is on discussing politics - consider pursuing that interest elsewhere.

We are looking for a way to make genuine, civil and intelligent discussions on US politics still possible, while maintaining a positive and cordial atmosphere between our members and without the noise, superficiality, disingenuity and animosity that have marked some of these discussions.

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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2020, 09:47:32 AM »
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ALL post are to contribute to a genuine and meaningful discussion. Post need to contain a personal explanation or position. Posts with just or mainly links or quotes are not allowed.

     I'm not understanding how this is supposed to work. Comments with links and quotes are some of the most informative and useful, and that definitely include comments consisting only of quotes and links to support or argue against prior comments. The last sentence is IMV inconsistent with the intent of the preceding ones.
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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2020, 10:14:05 AM »
     I'm not understanding how this is supposed to work. Comments with links and quotes are some of the most informative and useful, and that definitely include comments consisting only of quotes and links to support or argue against prior comments. The last sentence is IMV inconsistent with the intent of the preceding ones.

Posts with links should have comments accompanying the links. Posts that consist of only links will be deleted.

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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2020, 10:51:02 AM »
Posts with links should have comments accompanying the links. Posts that consist of only links will be deleted.

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     Yes, you restated what I quoted. I was hoping for an explanation.
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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2020, 11:06:02 AM »
I hope at least one mod is conservative.  ;)

Fair enough to the aforementioned, I’ll do my best but a “questionable post” sounds deliberately vague also.
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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2020, 11:06:34 AM »
Guessing/hoping this will eventually be un-stickied once everyone gets the hang of it?

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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2020, 12:42:47 PM »
     Yes, you restated what I quoted. I was hoping for an explanation.

Sorry, I misunderstood.

We don't want exchanges of links back and forth as "arguments." If a link is posted, well, tell people what you think of it, or how it has influenced you. There's a tendency to just lob quotes back and forth, with no meaningful discussion, and that's what we want to discourage.

Hope this is helpful.

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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2020, 12:55:40 PM »
Trump pushes unfounded conspiracy theory about 75-year-old Buffalo protester

Quote from: By CAROLYN THOMPSON and JILL COLVIN of The Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump on Tuesday advanced an unfounded conspiracy theory about a 75-year-old protester in Buffalo, New York, who was pushed down by police officers, tweeting without evidence that the confrontation may have been a “set up."

Any of our resident Trumpkins care to comment?
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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2020, 01:08:11 PM »
Sorry, I misunderstood.

We don't want exchanges of links back and forth as "arguments." If a link is posted, well, tell people what you think of it, or how it has influenced you. There's a tendency to just lob quotes back and forth, with no meaningful discussion, and that's what we want to discourage.

Hope this is helpful.

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     No, it's awful, even worse than I imagined, this site is the pits, I'm outta here OK that makes sense.

Trump pushes unfounded conspiracy theory about 75-year-old Buffalo protester

Any of our resident Trumpkins care to comment?


     That old guy should have been arrested for spilling a potentially dangerous chemical on a public thoroughfare.

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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2020, 01:15:15 PM »
Trump pushes unfounded conspiracy theory about 75-year-old Buffalo protester

Any of our resident Trumpkins care to comment?


Out of curiosity, does the above quoted post meet the strictures of the below rule?


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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2020, 02:13:10 PM »

     Silence is consent.

     I'd like to philosophize on the arbitrary nature of rule parameters but I have to shampoo the iguana.

     
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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2020, 02:15:03 PM »
Well today's election in Georgia was a hot mess.  Does not bode well for November.  Yet another issue where having a Putin stooge in the White House Trümpfenbunker is a monumentally bad idea.
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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2020, 02:15:46 PM »
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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2020, 02:55:08 PM »
Good idea.  It is nice to consolidate everything into one thread.

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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2020, 02:58:14 PM »
Well today's election in Georgia was a hot mess.  Does not bode well for November.  Yet another issue where having a Putin stooge in the White House Trümpfenbunker is a monumentally bad idea.

     It's Chinatown, Jake. Georgia was the only place where an attempt was made to do industrial strength mail vote fraud, and the Repubs were caught.
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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2020, 04:16:43 PM »
Good idea.  It is nice to consolidate everything into one thread.
I think this thread is a good idea as well. Pointless to have multiple threads on the same thing.
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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2020, 04:20:56 PM »
Trump pushes unfounded conspiracy theory about 75-year-old Buffalo protester

Any of our resident Trumpkins care to comment?
One reason I’d like to see Pence as president, less tweeting.

Anyways, the Buffalo mayor said a few days ago that he was a trouble maker, causing problems.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/501500-buffalo-mayor-says-protester-tackled-by-state-police%3famp

Perhaps the most disturbing thing about that link is that 57 officers resigned from the emergency response team due to the two getting suspended. Do you think that is a good outcome, Karl?
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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2020, 06:01:40 PM »
One reason I’d like to see Pence as president, less tweeting.

Anyways, the Buffalo mayor said a few days ago that he was a trouble maker, causing problems.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/501500-buffalo-mayor-says-protester-tackled-by-state-police%3famp

Perhaps the most disturbing thing about that link is that 57 officers resigned from the emergency response team due to the two getting suspended. Do you think that is a good outcome, Karl?

     Should they be allowed to return?

I think this thread is a good idea as well. Pointless to have multiple threads on the same thing.

     Yeah, we're not doing video encoding.
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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2020, 06:06:20 PM »
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One reason I’d like to see Pence as president, less tweeting.

That is the most oblique, cautious suggestion I've seen yet, that with a certain elected official: tweeting = wanking
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Re: USA Politics
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2020, 06:19:30 PM »
"The Post reports, “The U.S. economy officially entered a recession in February, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research, which announced that a 128-month expansion officially ended then. The expansion, which had begun in June 2009 after a recession, was the longest on record.” It should be noted that this happened before most business shutdowns occurred. While the pandemic indisputably plunged the economy further into recession, the Obama recovery — which President Trump conveniently ignored — ended on Trump’s watch."

Thanks, Obama!
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