USA Politics (redux)

[Pohjolas Daughter]

Just ran across this interesting article (will need to revisit it later):

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/10/politics/james-clyburn-impeachment-senate-trial-biden-cnntv/index.html

House may wail until after Biden's first 100 days to send impeachment articles to Senate.

PD

[T. D.]

It means nothing.

The only reason why I doubt Trump will pardon these looters etc is that they're just little people.

He doesn't care about them. There's suckers born every day.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-more-upset-capitol-mob-161414849.html

As a mob of his supporters stormed the US Capitol on Wednesday, Donald Trump was reportedly unconcerned about the destruction or insurrection taking place but instead how the violent extremists appeared low-class.
...
Mr Trump was apparently turned off by the chaotic scene, although not due to the assault on the US government but according to New York Magazine, because his supporters looked %u201Clow-class%u201D.

'He doesn't like low class things,' an anonymous White House source told the magazine.


Other reports indicated the president's disapproval of his supporters' appearances while attacking the Capitol, rather than focusing on how to end the disorder.

The Washington Post cited sources who said Mr Trump was more upset about how the mob looked 'low-class' than how it was disrupting the work of government. A close adviser to the president told the newspaper Mr Trump was 'bemused' by the attacks.

Also, per CNBC:

WASHINGTON President Donald Trump has not ordered flags to fly at half-staff on federal buildings to honor the police officer who was killed in the U.S. Capitol riot sparked by the president's supporters, according to The New York Times.

Trump has not reached out to the family of U.S. Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick, according to the report. Vice President Mike Pence called the family to offer his condolences.


Whoa, hold the presses! How touching, Cheeto finally lowered the flag.

White House lowers flag to half-staff
WASHINGTON  The flag atop the White House was lowered to half-staff on Sunday afternoon, in an apparent effort to honor the slain police officer who died after the president's supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol.

It was not immediately clear why the White House moved to lower the flag on Sunday. On Friday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi directed the lowering of the flag at the U.S. Capitol.

The New York Times had previously reported that Trump had not given the order to lower the flag and had also not reached out to the family of U.S. Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick. Vice President Mike Pence called the family to offer his condolences.

[Karl Henning]

Just ran across this interesting article (will need to revisit it later):

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/10/politics/james-clyburn-impeachment-senate-trial-biden-cnntv/index.html

House may wail until after Biden's first 100 days to send impeachment articles to Senate.

PD

As a censure;  I think this good.

[greg]

Unbelievable. Kid is at it again.

I would like you to know that if you were somewhere in possession of a gun, and cameras recorded several people (let's just say they were right-wingers, doesn't matter), running after you trying to attack you, and you shot them, I'd be in full support of your right to self-defense. No questions.

That is all.

[Herman]

Like I said. Kid is at it again.

Kyle Rittenhouse was not pursued; he drove all day to get to the place where he could shoot people.

Various people have told you this for days when you first had your crush on Rittenhouse for shooting people you don't identify with. You didn't get it then, and obviously you haven't learned anything in the interval.

Of course I do not have a gun. It's a well-established fact (probably totally new to you) that people with guns have a better chance of getting shot than unarmed people.

[BasilValentine]

Like I said. Kid is at it again.

Kyle Rittenhouse was not pursued; he drove all day to get to the place where he could shoot people.

Various people have told you this for days when you first had your crush on Rittenhouse for shooting people you don't identify with. You didn't get it then, and obviously you haven't learned anything in the interval.

Of course I do not have a gun. It's a well-established fact (probably totally new to you) that people with guns have a better chance of getting shot than unarmed people.

Not to mention, that the Kenosha police interacted with Rittenhouse, gave him bottled water, and never bothered to check if he was licensed to carry arms. He wasn't. Moreover, against long-standing policy, the Kenosha police actively encouraged the participation of white supremacist groups in opposing the protesters.

[greg]

Kyle Rittenhouse was not pursued; he drove all day to get to the place where he could shoot people.

I think you already watched the camera footage where people were running after him. Yes, he was being pursued.

You're also pretending to read his mind by saying "so he could shoot people." We don't know his intent because we don't know what he was thinking. Unless some new information popped up. But you've been saying that from the beginning, so not sure where you are getting that information from. I haven't heard that he told anyone that he just wanted to shoot people and that's it.

And his original intent doesn't even matter in regards to the point I'm making- I already said I don't support him going there in the first place. What matters is what actually happened, whether it was self-defense or not. And according to what we've seen from the camera footage, it appears to be the case.

If he had fired randomly into a crowd, of course I wouldn't support him. But that's not what happened.

Of course I do not have a gun. It's a well-established fact (probably totally new to you) that people with guns have a better chance of getting shot than unarmed people.

I wouldn't expect you to. I don't have one, either, and have no plans to own one. I'm just talking about a purely hypothetical scenario in order to demonstrate my point.

[greg]

white supremacist groups in opposing the protesters.

Interesting... where is the information saying they were white supremacists?

[T. D.]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-10/trump-lowers-white-house-flag-after-capitol-police-death-in-riot

The White House lowered its U.S. flag to half-staff on Sunday, three days after a police officer died from injuries suffered while fending off supporters of President Donald Trump who stormed the Capitol building.

Trump later issued a proclamation directing that flags be lowered at all embassies, consular offices and U.S. facilities abroad, including military installations and naval vessels.

He called the action "a sign of respect for the service and sacrifice" of Capitol Police officers Brian Sicknick, who died on Thursday, and Howard Liebengood, whose death was announced on Sunday, as well as "all Capitol Police Officers and law enforcement across this great Nation."

Trump had faced calls from lawmakers from both parties to take the step in honor of Sicknick after protesters, egged on by the president, invaded the seat of Congress in Washington. Trump made the decision independently, not because of pressure from advisers, a person familiar with the matter said. [Yeah, right! You expect me to believe that shit?  - TD]

President-elect Joe Biden has spoken with Sicknick's brother, a presidential transition official said Sunday. Trump hasn't contacted Sicknick's family to offer condolences, the New York Times earlier quoted an unidentified aide to Vice President Mike Pence as saying.
Earlier Sunday, Representative Nancy Mace, a South Carolina Republican, said in a letter to Trump that Sicknick "laid down his life in protection of our democracy" and asked that the flag atop the White House be lowered to half-staff to match the one over the Capitol dome.

The White House flag was lowered in the early afternoon.

[Karl Henning]

This is beautiful

https://www.youtube.com/v/x_P-0I6sAck

[BasilValentine]

Trump hasn't contacted Sicknick's family to offer condolences, the New York Times earlier quoted an unidentified aide to Vice President Mike Pence as saying.
Earlier Sunday, Representative Nancy Mace, a South Carolina Republican, said in a letter to Trump that Sicknick "laid down his life in protection of our democracy" and asked that the flag atop the White House be lowered to half-staff to match the one over the Capitol dome.

The White House flag was lowered in the early afternoon.

Nor should he. Nor should we expect him to. Trump is responsible for Sicknick's death. It would be absurd and indecent for him to contact the officer's family in any way.

[arpeggio]

     What does Arnold know about Nazis? He's an immigrant from Austria.
   

I take it that you have never seen The Sound of Music.

[MusicTurner]

Seth Abramson has now also been going through the speeches of Donald Trump Jr., Rudy Giuliani, Mo Brooks, and Eric Trump before the march

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1348373138388766723
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1348387171930173440
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1348403083303378944
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1348417396525182978
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1348434522472382468

[T. D.]

Seth Abramson has now also been going through the speeches of Donald Trump Jr., Rudy Giuliani, Mo Brooks, and Eric Trump before the march

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1348373138388766723
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1348387171930173440
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1348403083303378944
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1348417396525182978
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1348434522472382468

Thanks.  I read Hannah Arendt's The Origins of Totalitarianism back in 2015 (already disturbed by US political trends) and find his analysis informative.

[MusicTurner]

Educational, I think - even perhaps a bit of a 'vaccine' in relation to certain political/rhetorical tendencies ...

[milk]

Seth Abramson has now also been going through the speeches of Donald Trump Jr., Rudy Giuliani, Mo Brooks, and Eric Trump before the march

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1348373138388766723
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1348387171930173440
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1348403083303378944
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1348417396525182978
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1348434522472382468

Mo Brooks. Are there going to be any consequences for people like him? Disgusting.

[Herman]

One of the things I don't quite get is how a guy like Cruz gets reelected every time.

He's often described as the most hated man in the senate after McConnell, and it's easy to see he's just too self-melodramatic and phoney, and yet a sufficient nr of people pull the lever for him. I know those people are Texans, but still... Why is this man not primaried by a member of the human race?

[milk]

One of the things I don't quite get is how a guy like Cruz gets reelected every time.

He's often described as the most hated man in the senate after McConnell, and it's easy to see he's just too self-melodramatic and phoney, and yet a sufficient nr of people pull the lever for him. I know those people are Texans, but still... Why is this man not primaried by a member of the human race?

everything he does seems cynical and desperate and weak. He knows tump lost, too. What a poser. How do people live like that? He's a professional phony.

[T. D.]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/11/trump-impeachment-capitol-riots-biden-transition-live-updates.html

President Donald Trump is set to kick off the week by awarding his conservative ally Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, the nation's highest civilian honor, the Medal of Freedom, on Monday.

Later in the week he will bestow the prize on New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick, a White House official told NBC News. The Associated Press reported that Belichick is expected to receive the medal on Thursday.

Belichick has not confirmed he will accept the medal, and there have been some calls for him to refuse to do so. Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass., said on CNN earlier in the day that Belichick "should do the right thing and say, 'No, thanks.'"

Trump is handing off the medals in the last full week of his presidency as Democrats in the House of Representatives prepare to move forward with his impeachment.

Jordan, who has supported Trump throughout his presidency, has said he opposes impeachment. He was one of the Republicans to object to certifying President-elect Joe Biden's Electoral College wins last week.

Trump has not been seen in public since speaking to supporters at a rally on Wednesday before they attacked the U.S. Capitol during the formal certification process. He is expected to travel to Alamo, Texas, on Tuesday.

According to the White House, the Medal of Freedom is awarded to those "who have made exceptional contributions to the security or national interests of America, to world peace, or to cultural or other significant public or private endeavors."

[71 dB]

One of the things I don't quite get is how a guy like Cruz gets reelected every time.

He's often described as the most hated man in the senate after McConnell, and it's easy to see he's just too self-melodramatic and phoney, and yet a sufficient nr of people pull the lever for him. I know those people are Texans, but still... Why is this man not primaried by a member of the human race?

Most money. In the US elections 90 % of the time the candidate with most money within a party wins the election. Of course often the candidate with most campaign money is also most corrupt.

Most people don't really follow politics. They work hard to pay the bills and don't have much energy for following politics. Also, people feel all the politicians the same, corrupt and shameless. So, they tend to vote for the well-known candidates if they bother to vote at all.