USA Politics (redux)

[Karl Henning]

Hmm...against all the latest woke craziness of the left and still on the left?

That does not strike me as unreasonable.  Most of the Left ain't "woke."

[drogulus]

Hmm...against all the latest woke craziness of the left and still on the left?

     This is perfectly reasonable. The left treats the propositions of liberalism as ethical as well as empirical. Democratic values are desirable and work well, considered in isolation and in practice together. So "still on the left" should be the default, as it was for leftist Alan Sokal when he launched the most effective assault on leftist absolutism ever in the '90s.

[drogulus]

     In regards to the battle against woke leftism, the critics on the right have some explaining to do. When they do explain, it usually amounts an argument for the correct absolute against the wrong one. Sadly, hilarity doesn't often ensue.

     The theo-politics of the "Wrong God" doesn't defend liberalism, it attacks from a different direction.

     

[Florestan]

OK, here's me.  Slightly more Left and more Authoritarian than most (-- but don't call me a Commie  )

Pinko, then. 

[Florestan]

It seems to have a number of people scoring much more moderately than they express themselves. Flattering most everyone that they can call themselves "center".

Just for fun, could you please post your scores? Not the graph, just the scores.

[Fëanor]

Just for fun, could you please post your scores? Not the graph, just the scores.

Why no graph?  They're easier to interpret at a glance. 

[Fëanor]

Pinko, then. 

Better than Red, I guess. 

[greg]

Hmm...against all the latest woke craziness of the left and still on the left?

You could probably separate it quite easily from the left (or politics in general) if you wanted to, identity politics is almost the same on the left and right, but who's the good guy and bad guy is reversed.
The error in it all of it is viewing people as parts of a group instead of as individuals.
I'm not sure that quiz had any "woke" questions, though.
And even then would also depend what it's asking... if it had a question about gender identity, I totally get what that is and don't confuse it with biological sex, which is what conservatives really tend to do a LOT. Which would have pushed me left.

It seems to have a number of people scoring much more moderately than they express themselves. Flattering most everyone that they can call themselves "center".

If you really scored off the chart (though i don't see how that's possible lol), then moderate is going to be seem quite extreme...

[Florestan]

Why no graph?  They're easier to interpret at a glance. 

Agreed completely, but:

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,30359.msg1367042.html#msg1367042

[Florestan]

Better than Red, I guess. 

Well, better than the Devil is good enough, I guess. 

[Florestan]

Well, that's too funny. I took the old test (Political Compass) and answered in all earnest only the questions which seemed neutral to me; I picked the default wrong answer for all the questions which were obviously biased towards the left.

This is what I got:



Economic Left/Right: 3.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.92

Now compare it to the new test, for which I answered all questions in all earnest.



Pretty much the same, I'd say. 

Be it as it may, I am obviously farther right than anyone else.

[Florestan]

"still on the left" should be the default

For whom?

[greg]

Well, that's too funny. I took the old test (Political Compass) and answered in all earnest only the questions which seemed neutral to me; I picked the default wrong answer for all the questions which were obviously biased towards the left.

Very interesting!

Be it as it may, I am obviously farther right than anyone else.

Which is a good thing IMO.
People look for safety in online communities (or real world ones), which means joining like-minded individuals, and eventually forms an echo chamber/tribe/bubble, etc.
The result is rival tribes (even in the same country) that have adapted to very different environments over time, so their worldview is so vastly different that there is no hope for peace.
Probably hopeless at this point in regards to the "culture war," but the solution could possibly have been to have people with opposing viewpoints be a part of the opposing tribe as soon as it was formed (assuming they themselves don't change).

Providing some sort of counterbalance may help preventing dogmatic/ideological thinking...

[Florestan]

Very interesting!

Ain't it?

people with opposing viewpoints

Only a truly totalitarian, ie deranged mind, would want to live in a world where everyone thought, believed and behaved the same way.

[Karl Henning]

And any adult understands that not everyone is going to agree with him.

[drogulus]

For whom?

      When liberalism is under attack, liberals defend it. That's the default. Becoming conservative is not a defense.

[drogulus]

Only a truly totalitarian, ie deranged mind, would want to live in a world where everyone thought, believed and behaved the same way.

     

     

[Daverz]

Hmm...against all the latest woke craziness of the left and still on the left?

Poor milk, those kids still won't get off his lawn.

[milk]

Poor milk, those kids still won't get off his lawn.

look out your front window!

[BasilValentine]

The U of Chicago Project on Security and Threats has concluded that the primary motivation for the January 6 insurrection was fear of the "great replacement," that is, it was primarily about race. The majority of the insurrectionists were from counties Biden won where demographic shifts toward people of color are under way. The main complaint was that the rights of POC are being advanced faster than those of white people. The mob included large numbers of business owners, professionals, middle management and white collar workers.

The director of the study can be heard summarizing the conclusions here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dskVval50AE