Quiz: Mystery scores

Started by Sean, August 27, 2007, 06:49:47 AM

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A few more from me. I went to the library today to pick up a few old machine design books so I could make the next homework assignment for the that course I am a TA for. The engineering section is in the basement right next to the folio section -- where they keep things that don't fit where they normally belong, including a lot of oversized music. I wasted spent an extra hour today thanks to that. The first two are some interesting ones that I found that I haven't heard before (actually, I may have heard the first one, but I can't remember -- I definitely know of it). I wouldn't post things that I wouldn't get myself, but Luke said he wanted more to guess, so voila!
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22. Not a score, but a part.
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

Maciek

Quote from: Luke on September 19, 2014, 01:24:35 PM
487/5 - There is a connection between both this one and 24 with a big item in today's news (the biggest item if you live where I do). Among other surprising facts, the composer of this piece has deep connections to Bartok, both musical and personal, and they are clearest, perhaps, in the pieces from which this page comes

This is Cumha na Cloinne (no. 23) from Erik Chisholm's Piobaireachd.

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489/7 - amw said Satie here, he's not far off. The composer of this piece had close associations with Satie, including giving premieres of some of Satie's most important pieces, but he's much more famous in his own right (in fact very famous indeed, more than Satie). This is a little-known work in a genre that the composer explored more famously in a few other works.

This is Ravel's Minuet in C-sharp minor.

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502/20 - The source of the text has been identified. The composer did write a fair amount of serious music but is much better known for his comic songs

Namárië. Based on the clues, I'm guessing this is from Donald Swann's The Road Goes Ever On. If so, then, according to Wikipedia, it is "based on a tune by Tolkien himself". But no source is given, and I don't really know what that means anyway. ;D (Is the info more detailed in the book itself?)

Luke

Fantastic - all of these correct, well done.


But those new ones!?  ???   Not the foggiest, not yet (though I'm sure I've seen the second one somewhere before...)

Luke


Luke

Quote from: Maciek on September 20, 2014, 05:48:50 PM
Namárië. Based on the clues, I'm guessing this is from Donald Swann's The Road Goes Ever On. If so, then, according to Wikipedia, it is "based on a tune by Tolkien himself". But no source is given, and I don't really know what that means anyway. ;D (Is the info more detailed in the book itself?)

Yes - here's the relevant page from Swann's introduction (left hand column if you are in a hurry)


Luke

I just think it's great that the guy who wrote these also wrote that bit of Elvishness!

amw

Quote from: karlhenning on September 19, 2014, 11:14:45 AM
Sheesh, those three are a mystery to me, no less than to others, by now . . . .

46 is from the final movement of Shostakovich's Piano Sonata No. 2, I've played that page. Can't help you with the others.

EigenUser

Quote from: Luke on September 21, 2014, 01:45:00 AM
Fantastic - all of these correct, well done.


But those new ones!?  ???   Not the foggiest, not yet (though I'm sure I've seen the second one somewhere before...)
;D 0:)

I'd be surprised if no one got the first one (other than me!).

What a cool place, the library! I can just go in, take pictures of pages of scores, and post them here! While my own collection is rather large for a non-music student of my age, the result of posting many of those scores would probably be like watching three tigers (Luke, Maicek and amw) devour a deer. Plus, I tend to talk too much on here about music that I like so mine are predictable, anyway.
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: Luke on September 20, 2014, 12:49:17 AM
None of these are correct, but the Vertigo guess is closer than the others.

That's encouraging!
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

Karl Henning

Quote from: amw on September 21, 2014, 02:05:01 AM
46 is from the final movement of Shostakovich's Piano Sonata No. 2, I've played that page. Can't help you with the others.

Cheers!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Maciek

Quote from: Luke on September 21, 2014, 02:00:39 AM
Yes - here's the relevant page from Swann's introduction (left hand column if you are in a hurry)

Very interesting. Thank you. So it would appear that this particular song is almost 100% Tolkien (except for introduction, interlude and coda).

Luke

Well, that's a fair portion of it, though. Plus, I guess, the rationalisation of Tolkien's singing into notated form was also Swann's, and, to the extent that listening-interpreting-notating is also a creative/compositional/reifying activity, one could say that he had a hand in that too.

Maciek

Quote from: Luke on September 19, 2014, 01:24:35 PM
514/32 - Hugely famous piece - look at the instrumentation, look at the music itself, play along...

Jeff Wayne's Musical Version of The War of the Worlds! Argh! I feel SO silly for not noticing right away. :-[

But to see it as a score, how cool is that!

Maciek

Quote from: Luke on September 19, 2014, 01:24:35 PM
496/14 - The piece quotes Brahms, as Sfz noted. The set it comes from is concerned with Brahms's home town. The composer is fascinating, though hardly great - what fascinates is his blatant copying of other composers - I'll give some examples when he is identified.

Well, pure guesswork here, but this could perhaps be the 7th movement of Walter Niemann's Hamburg...?

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497/15 - Same composer as above. Very clever and witty clue which will help searching in the music.

Assuming that my above answer is correct, still too clever and witty for me. :D

(Same thing if I'm wrong, actually...)

Maciek

Quote from: Luke on September 19, 2014, 01:24:35 PM
505/23 - I imagine a large number of us have heard this piece, though we may not have noticed it at the time. Just follow the white rabbit...

The Matrix??

Luke

Great work - all correct, of course. The Matirx score, with its heavy shades of John Adams, but a coherent tone of its own too, is by Don Davies.

The Niemann is right - did I make it clear that the next one is by Niemann too? What I love in that one is just the way it starts out like a formal BACH piece of counterpoint, but the end of the motive gets mutated into BACCH{u}eS, with a little drunken hiccup on those last three notes. Interesting composer - examples of his extreme imitative compositional technique follow later.

Maciek

Quote from: Luke on September 19, 2014, 01:24:35 PM
503/21 - Play it, listen to it, google what you notice, you have the answer.

And the same to you! Is the music actually by Dudley Moore?

Maciek

#5237
Well, this is turning out to be a pretty entertaining set... ;D

Quote from: Luke on September 22, 2014, 10:51:36 AM
Great work - all correct, of course. The Matirx score, with its heavy shades of John Adams, but a coherent tone of its own too, is by Don Davies.

Well, I wasn't 100% sure. The brass was a bit difficult to read and looking at the strings I was wondering whether it wasn't Glass (not sure if I've ever seen a sample of his hand). [My very first thought, though, actually was Adams ("couldn't this be from Short Ride...?").]

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The Niemann is right - did I make it clear that the next one is by Niemann too?

You did, but I guess my brain switched over to another mode, because I didn't notice it was B-A-C-H!!! :o

(Not to even mention the further transformation of the motif...)

Still, I'm not sure if those clues alone will be enough to identify the piece by title (Anakreon??)...

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Luke

Quote from: Maciek on September 22, 2014, 10:56:59 AM
And the same to you! Is the music actually by Dudley Moore?

Yes it is. Have you seen it? It's just superb! Enjoy....

http://www.youtube.com/v/GazlqD4mLvw