Europe at War

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Todd

Quote from: MusicTurner on April 28, 2022, 11:08:12 AMStoltenberg said today that NATO is prepared for a year-long conflict, including in the increased support for Ukraine.


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Madiel

#2001
Bring back slavery. It existed for a large part of US history.

Oh and get rid of this new-fangled thing of women voting. We got through well over half of US history without it.

Some fool talked about progress over the course of history, but Todd knows better.

Of course, for most of US history Estonia was probably weeks or even months of travel away, but the invention of regular air travel has rather changed how the world connects. Why, these days it's perfectly possible for Todd to leave messages for people in Europe that they can read almost immediately, and for some Australian to butt in, but the internet is not relevant because it didn't exist for most of US history.

Perhaps we all long for the days when Todd would hear about distant wars via the newspaper weeks after the event, and could chat about how it had no impact on his part of the world only with his neighbours who shared that part of the world. Instead of broadcasting his disinterest globally.
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     Putin is an agent of Lloyd Austin and the Biden crime family. The mainstream media won't tell you this.
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Madiel

Quote from: drogulus on April 28, 2022, 03:09:53 PM
     Putin is an agent of Lloyd Austin and the Biden crime family. The mainstream media won't tell you this.

I don't even know who Lloyd Austin is...

The list of things the mainstream media won't tell me is very long. I mean, it's obvious that Beethoven was a Sontaran but does this ever get reported? No!
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Johnnie Burgess

Quote from: Madiel on April 28, 2022, 03:19:06 PM
I don't even know who Lloyd Austin is...

The list of things the mainstream media won't tell me is very long. I mean, it's obvious that Beethoven was a Sontaran but does this ever get reported? No!

Lloyd Austin is the US Secretary of Defense.

drogulus

Quote from: Johnnie Burgess on April 28, 2022, 03:33:30 PM
Lloyd Austin is the US Secretary of Defense.

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     Anyway, I think this is what he looks like when he's not in disguise.

     
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Madiel

Quote from: Johnnie Burgess on April 28, 2022, 03:33:30 PM
Lloyd Austin is the US Secretary of Defense.

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MusicTurner

#2007
More analysts now believing that, given the slow Russian advances, the 9th of May will mean Putin escalating and declare general mobilization, in stead of downscaling, cf. also the tone in Russian media.

Missed by many commentators, but the false flag incidents in Transdnistr-Moldova coincide with the country taking recent steps to join the EU and NATO. A declared mobilization (or a Russian invasion) in Transdnistr would complicate matters, and perhaps facilitate Russian advances towards Odessa a bit. Whereas many believe that Romania would somehow try to support Moldova militarily, if Russia invaded core Moldova.

200 T72 tanks arrived from Poland to Ukraine this morning - just a fragment of the massive deliveries from the West that are now coming. Russia is thought to gradually run short of material generally.

Expert Mark Galeotti's new text about nuclear war: quite predictably, given his generally middle-of-the-road views, he says it's 'unlikely', but also 'less unthinkable' than before.

Florestan

Quote from: MusicTurner on April 29, 2022, 01:09:46 AM
More analysts now believing that, given the slow Russian advances, the 9th of May will mean Putin escalating and declare general mobilization, in stead of downscaling. cf. also the tone in Russian media.

Missed by many commentators, but the false flag incidents in Transdnistr-Moldova coincide with the country taking recent steps to join the EU and NATO. A declared mobilization (or a Russian invasion) in Transdnistr would complicate matters, and perhaps facilitate Russian advances towards Odessa a bit. Whereas many believe that Romania would somehow try to support Moldova militarily, if Russia invaded core Moldova.

Romania would do nothing more and nothing less than what would be collectively decided within NATO.

Btw, the Russian state TV commentators went delirious yesterday stating that nuclear war is unavoidable and it's no big deal because eventually we will all die anyway, the difference being that Russians will go to Heaven and their enemies to Hell. Also, Pravda featured an article stating that Romania and Poland are prime candidates for being hit by Kalibr missiles and that they (R and P, that is) are actually asking for it.
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Madiel

I wasn't aware that Moldova had applied for EU membership. Georgia as well.
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Que

Quote from: MusicTurner on April 29, 2022, 01:09:46 AM
More analysts now believing that, given the slow Russian advances, the 9th of May will mean Putin escalating and declare general mobilization, in stead of downscaling. cf. also the tone in Russian media.

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Russia is thought to gradually run short of material generally.

It seems Russia is getting desperate: running out of troops, material and money...

I've read estimations that Russia has depleted 70% of its missile stocks.
In the Donbas region seperatists have raised the age for mandatory  military serviece from 55 to 65 years.


Florestan

"A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything, and the value of nothing." --- Oscar Wilde

Something must have made me post that here, but I wonder what...  ;D
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MusicTurner

Quote from: Florestan on April 29, 2022, 01:58:37 AM
"A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything, and the value of nothing." --- Oscar Wilde

Something must have made me post that here, but I wonder what...  ;D

It's a good quote.

71 dB

Quote from: Que on April 29, 2022, 01:52:54 AM
I've read estimations that Russia has depleted 70% of its missile stocks.

Does this mean we have seen 70 % of this war? I guess Russia can totally destroy its military capabilities momentarily in wars like this, because they know nobody will attack Russia. It would mean WWIII.
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Harry

Quote from: 71 dB on April 29, 2022, 02:44:33 AM
Does this mean we have seen 70 % of this war? I guess Russia can totally destroy its military capabilities momentarily in wars like this, because they know nobody will attack Russia. It would mean WWIII.

De facto we are already in WW III. Just look at all the military equipment that the US and a lot of other countries are delivering in the Ukraine. We have to stop Poetin and his murderous hordes somewhere, it might as well be Ukraine. In fact it is the Ukraine.
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71 dB

Quote from: "Harry" on April 29, 2022, 03:07:10 AM
De facto we are already in WW III.

Good bye World then. How long time have we to live? A week? A month? A year?
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Harry

Quote from: 71 dB on April 29, 2022, 03:22:55 AM
Good bye World then. How long time have we to live? A week? A month? A year?

As long as it is a conventional war, we will survive, tactical nucleair bombs we survive too, and in my view that will be it, for Poetin will destroy his beloved Russia too, if he uses the bigger ones.
So the world will in all probability survive Poju, no fear!
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Florestan

Quote from: 71 dB on April 29, 2022, 03:22:55 AM
Good bye World then. How long time have we to live? A week? A month? A year?

I think there's still plenty of time for your BIS order to reach you.  :laugh:

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Madiel

#2018
Quote from: 71 dB on April 29, 2022, 03:22:55 AM
Good bye World then. How long time have we to live? A week? A month? A year?

Given that the World has already survived two World Wars, your conclusion does not follow from the premise.

Anyway it is NOT a world war yet, even by the Eurocentric notions of that concept. Fighting is occurring in exactly one country, apart from the occasional missile reaching Russia.
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71 dB

Quote from: "Harry" on April 29, 2022, 03:39:54 AM
As long as it is a conventional war, we will survive, tactical nucleair bombs we survive too, and in my view that will be it, for Poetin will destroy his beloved Russia too, if he uses the bigger ones.
So the world will in all probability survive Poju, no fear!

I don't see how we could survive tactical nuclear bombs. Russia has made the use of nukes less unthinkable. Russia has been already been destroyed by Russia itself. It is just that the people of Russia (well, most of them anyway) has been brainwashed to accept and even support the state of fairs. Netherlands is a Nato country. Finland is not, at least for several months. Netherlands isn't a neighbour of Russia with 1360 km long border. Finland is. That's why I have million times more to worry about than you Harry.

Quote from: Florestan on April 29, 2022, 03:40:59 AM
I think there's still plenty of time for your BIS order to reach you.  :laugh:

It is a race for sure! Will it arrive before the end of the World?  :P

I am so pissed of the situation: So much to worry about and I can't even get BIS CDs to enjoy to help my peace of mind! I DID NOT NEED THIS RIGHT NOW!!

Quote from: Madiel on April 29, 2022, 03:53:40 AM
Given that the World has already survived two World Wars, your conclusion does not follow from the premise.

Anyway it is NOT a world war yet, even by the Eurocentric notions of that concept. Fighting is occurring in exactly one country, apart from the occasional missile reaching Russia.

Yeah, but in WWI nuclear weapons didn't exist and in WWII "only" two them used and even when those bombs caused absolutely horrifying damage  and death in Japan, nuclear weapons of today are much much more powerful + many countries have plenty them, not only the USA.

I'd say it is a "hot" war between Russia and Ukraine + a lukewarm war between Russia and the "free World." What I worry about is that this lukewarm war escalates into WWIII. Russia is not interested in de-escalation. Even without escalation this war de-stabilizes societies all over the World because of rising food and energy prices not to mention information war in (social) media, cyber strikes etc. These things are likely to create NEW conflicts all over the World. Enough conflicts and things escalate into WWIII. The future looks super-dark at the moment.
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