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Daverz

Quote from: Karl Henning on June 01, 2025, 02:42:21 PMI'm at just that point, myself, though I'm giving the Tribbles a miss this time. Not that I don't like the episode, I just feel I've seen it enough for the moment. It is not of course literally true that i could storyboard the episode from memory, but that's kind of where my heart is at for the present. I must emphasize that any fault is mine, not the episode's, which is a great exemplar of a comic script in a series which is not by nature Comedy.

You could substitute with "Trials and Tribble-ations" (DS9, Episode 5x06).

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Trials_and_Tribble-ations_(episode)

Karl Henning

Quote from: Daverz on June 01, 2025, 03:00:49 PMYou could substitute with "Trials and Tribble-ations" (DS9, Episode 5x06).

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Trials_and_Tribble-ations_(episode)
Well, you know, I relented or repented and decided after all that the lightness of this episode ("The Trouble With Tribbles") is just what I want, this evening.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: Karl Henning on June 01, 2025, 05:18:30 PMWell, you know, I relented or repented and decided after all that the lightness of this episode ("The Trouble With Tribbles") is just what I want, this evening.
I had completely forgotten, for instance, that in this episode Kirk upbraids Chekov for his Russo-centric history.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

LKB

Quote from: Karl Henning on June 01, 2025, 02:42:21 PMI'm at just that point, myself, though I'm giving the Tribbles a miss this time. Not that I don't like the episode, I just feel I've seen it enough for the moment. It is not of course literally true that I could storyboard the episode from memory, but that's kind of where my heart is at for the present. I must emphasize that any fault is mine, not the episode's, which is a great exemplar of a comic script in a series which is not by nature Comedy.

There is an animated series episode, I believe it's called " More Troubles, More Tribbles ". An acceptable substitute, imho.  8)
Mit Flügeln, die ich mir errungen...

Karl Henning

Quote from: Daverz on June 01, 2025, 03:00:49 PMYou could substitute with "Trials and Tribble-ations" (DS9, Episode 5x06).

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Trials_and_Tribble-ations_(episode)
I've started with the animated "More Tribbles, More Troubles."
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

#365
Quote from: Karl Henning on June 02, 2025, 07:58:47 PMI've started with the animated "More Tribbles, More Troubles."
I'm long past being the target demographic for this, so let me not critique it as an over-educated adult. My impression is, probably ahead of most of its peers. Nice that all the main cast (and Stan Adams as Cyrano Jones) participated. Screenplay by David Gerrold, creator of the Tribbles. I'll listen to his commentary later. The blu-ray edition really gives this episode the royal treatment, and why not?
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

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Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

LKB

Cross-posting from the Reaction Videos thread:

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atardecer

Quote from: Daverz on June 01, 2025, 03:00:49 PMYou could substitute with "Trials and Tribble-ations" (DS9, Episode 5x06).

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Trials_and_Tribble-ations_(episode)

After watching the original tribble episode, I noticed I have this on the special features. Decided to give it a try and I liked it, very imaginative and the first episode of DS9 I've watched.
"Leave that which is not, but appears to be. Seek that which is, but is not apparent." - Rumi

"Outwardly limited, boundless inwardly." - Goethe

"The art of being a slave is to rule one's master." - Diogenes

Karl Henning

Quote from: atardecer on June 08, 2025, 01:52:24 PMAfter watching the original tribble episode, I noticed I have this on the special features. Decided to give it a try and I liked it, very imaginative and the first episode of DS9 I've watched.
I'm poised to watch that soon, myself. 
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

DavidW

#370
Quote from: atardecer on June 08, 2025, 01:52:24 PMAfter watching the original tribble episode, I noticed I have this on the special features. Decided to give it a try and I liked it, very imaginative and the first episode of DS9 I've watched.

I always love that part where Worf is like, "We don't talk about that!" :laugh: I don't want to spoil it for Karl, but he'll get it as soon as he watches it.

Edit: I had to look it up... the actual line was "we don't discuss it with outsiders."

milk

We just rewatched Wrath (kids are 5 and 7). The ear thing was a bit too much for my 5-year old. I hope he's not traumatized. But Montalbán makes the whole movie. "He tasks me..."

Karl Henning

Quote from: milk on July 02, 2025, 02:39:05 PMWe just rewatched Wrath (kids are 5 and 7). The ear thing was a bit too much for my 5-year old. I hope he's not traumatized. But Montalbán makes the whole movie. "He tasks me..."
The case can be made that Montalbán saved the franchise.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

LKB

Quote from: Karl Henning on July 02, 2025, 02:54:08 PMThe case can be made that Montalbán saved the franchise.

He was certainly the most noted of several facets which elicited sighs of relief among critics. At last, Kirk had an adversary whose capabilities matched or exceeded his own, who had tons of charisma, an established TOS backstory, and the capability to absolutely enslave movie audiences whenever he was onscreen.

As shocking as Spock's death scene was, it was Montalbán who laid the ground for that emotional payoff.
Mit Flügeln, die ich mir errungen...

DavidW

Quote from: Karl Henning on July 02, 2025, 02:54:08 PMThe case can be made that Montalbán saved the franchise.

I would argue that Nicholas Meyer saved the franchise. It seems we now live in a time where creatives (directors, writers, producers) are the first to get blamed for a project going pear-shaped, but they rarely receive credit when the opposite occurs.

relm1

I recently saw an episode of Voyager where Tuvok crashes on a deserted planet that only has three kids.  Spoilers ahead.  The kids are obviously frightened and claim a monster takes them at night.  Tuvok finds no evidence of anyone else on the planet so thinks they are just frightened from being alone.  But that night one of them goes missing.  They tell more of their backstory that their ship didn't crash, the kids were intentionally left behind to die.  He promises to protect them as he tries to get the shuttle repaired.  A confrontation between the children, Voyager, and alien adults at the end of the episode shows that the adults were in fact the juveniles and the kids were in fact at the end of their life.  They were put on that planet to die peacefully as part of a sacred ritual honoring who they were in life.  Tuvok comes to accept this is the natural course of life for them and says goodbye, someone saddened since we also learn he has children of his own and was looking out for them. 

I thought it was a nice episode. 

milk

Quote from: DavidW on July 03, 2025, 05:18:45 PMI would argue that Nicholas Meyer saved the franchise. It seems we now live in a time where creatives (directors, writers, producers) are the first to get blamed for a project going pear-shaped, but they rarely receive credit when the opposite occurs.
That's a good point. I have to look into this further but I guess there were many iterations of the story and different ideas right up and through shooting. I also recall that Meyer had to tweak their performances to get the right effect. Perhaps it was Meyer as well who wanted it to be nautical. I think Wrath is probably a good script for a student to study. I think it operates by the book as a three-act film with just the right amount of everything.

DavidW

I saw this last night, might be of interest here:


Karl Henning

#378
No real reason why it took me so long: Finally watched "Trials and Tribble-ations" last night. I did have some subconscious hesitation, but that was foolish. This was thoroughly charming. To whatever extent there is goofiness, it is entirely in keeping with the spirit of fun in the original episode. A technical tour-de-force, as well.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

LKB

Quote from: Karl Henning on July 13, 2025, 03:56:53 PMNo real reason why it took me so long: Finally watched "Trials and Tribble-ations" last night. I did have some subconscious hesitation, but that was foolish. This was thoroughly charming. To whatever extent there is goofiness, it is entirely in keeping with the spirit of fun in the original episode. A technical tour-de-force, as well.

"Trials and Tribble-ations" is a hoot. I remember my doubts when I heard the buzz once word got out ( having never been much of a DS9 fan ), and didn't bother to watch it until the TOS blu-rays included it as a bonus.

Once I actually saw it, I was quite willing to banish my misplaced skepticism, and happy indeed that it had come into being. ( Worf's discomfort in answering his companions' questions regarding the TOS Klingons... priceless! )
Mit Flügeln, die ich mir errungen...