The Snowshoed Sibelius

[Madiel]

In a wild attempt to talk about some actual music...

I just read that one of the bits of the incidental music for Swanwhite ended up being a basis for the slow movement of the 5th symphony.

I'm not sure if it's in evidence in the suite version of Swanwhite, it may only appear in the full incidental music (which BIS has a recording of of course), in the 10th of the 13 episodes.

EDIT: The 6th number in the suite?? It's giving me vibes.

[Brian]

In a wild attempt to talk about some actual music...

I just read that one of the bits of the incidental music for Swanwhite ended up being a basis for the slow movement of the 5th symphony.

I'm not sure if it's in evidence in the suite version of Swanwhite, it may only appear in the full incidental music (which BIS has a recording of of course), in the 10th of the 13 episodes.

EDIT: The 6th number in the suite?? It's giving me vibes.

You just inspired me to listen to these extracts! It sounds like a piece worth hearing in full...

This Naxos CD has 14 tracks, not 13, so I don't know if I'm listening to the right clips. The 6th has some ominous bass that reminds me of the Fourth Symphony, but the flutes and pizzicato violins (around 2:30) definitely sounds a bit like Symphony No. 5.

Ohhhh I think it's track 11. (Marked "Allegretto: Nar konungen gar") Listen to the sudden turn that pizzicato+flute melody takes at 0:27-0:38. Definitely could be an inspiration to Symphony No. 5.

[Madiel]

Ohhhh I think it's track 11. (Marked "Allegretto: Nar konungen gar") Listen to the sudden turn that pizzicato+flute melody takes at 0:27-0:38. Definitely could be an inspiration to Symphony No. 5.

Yes, if you have 14 tracks it will be track 11 (the first track is a horncall that apparently doesn't get counted in the numbered ones all the time).

In the suite version, there are only 7 numbers and it's number 6.

[North Star]

Yes, definitely echoes of the symphony. Around 21 minutes in the complete work
https://www.youtube.com/v/a3sxwYlSpQE

[Mirror Image]

Swanwhite certainly is a gorgeous work. In fact, I really enjoy all of the incidental music I've heard so far, but my favorite is, of course, The Tempest. Absolute masterpiece and a work that has endless melodic invention.

[Jaakko Keskinen]

Alberich.

I merely mentioned Williams in a passing sentence. Did not mean to start a debate.

[Jaakko Keskinen]

I have listened to Swanwhite but alas, cannot recall at the moment whether I liked it or not. IIRC, Tawastjerna preferred Pelleas and (naturally) The Tempest.

[North Star]

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I learned yesterday that Symphony No. 3 was based on material from the plans for an oratorio Marjatta based on the last book of Kalevala, an allegory for the Christianisation of Finland. (Marjatta is impregnated by a lingonberry she eats, Väinämöinen condemns the son born out of wedlock to death, but the child speaks and chastises Väinämöinen. After the child is crowned King of Karelia, Väinämöinen leaves and bequeaths his songs and kantele to the people). The program (advent - nativity - death - resurrection) can still be seen in the work. Sibelius also quotes his own hymn Soi kiitokseski Luojan (In praise of our Creator) in the third movement.

[Brahmsian]

Does anyone have the track listing for this 14 disc set?  With my avatar, I realize it is liking asking if anyone has seen my keys.  Hah! 

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[Mirror Image]

Does anyone have the track listing for this 14 disc set?  With my avatar, I realize it is liking asking if anyone has seen my keys.  Hah! 

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From Amazon actually:

Product Description
An authoritative, comprehensive Edition covering all of the most important music Sibelius wrote.

Symphonies
CD 1
Symphony no. 1
Wiener Philharmoniker / Bernstein

CD 2
Symphony no. 2
Wiener Philharmoniker / Bernstein

CD 3
1 3 Symphony no. 3 ca. 30
Helsinki Radio Symphony Orchestra / Kamu

4 7 Lemminkänen Suite (45:15)
Helsinki Radio Symphony Orchestra / Kamu

CD 4
Symphonies nos. 4 & 6
Berliner Philharmoniker / Karajan

CD 5
Symphonies nos. 5 & 7
Berliner Philharmoniker / Karajan

CD 6 Kullervo Symphony
Turku PO / Jorma Panula

Tone Poems / Orchestral
CD 7 Tone Poems 1 (77:09)
En saga op. 9 18:28
Karelia Suite op. 11 II 14:48
Helsinki Radio Symphony Orchestra / Kamu
Rakastava for Strings op. 14 ca. 15
ASMF / Marriner

Spring Song op. 16 7:46
Finlandia op. 26 9:02
Pohjola s Daughter op. 49 12:05
Gothenburg SO / Järvi

CD 8 Tone Poems 2 (77:43)
Night Ride and Sunrise op. 55 14:49
In Memoriam op. 59 12
The Bard op. 64 6:53
Luonnotar op. 70 8:29
The Oceanides op. 73 10:23
Andante festivo (1924) 5:00
Tapiola op. 112 20:09

Concerto
CD 9
1 3 Violin Concerto in D minor op. 47
4 5 2 Serenades op. 69
6 Humoresque op. 87 no. 1

Songs
CD 10
1 Våren flyktar hastigt op.13/4 (Runeberg) 1:57
Spring Flies Fast
2 Diamanten på Märssnon op.36/6 (Wecksell) 2:34
A Diamond on March Snow
3 Säv, säv, susa op.36/4 (Fröding) 2:38
Sigh, Sigh, Sedges
4 Svarta rosor op.36/1 (Josephson) 2:11
Black Roses
5 Come Away, Death op.60/1(Shakespeare: Twelfth Night) 3:40
6 When that I was a little tiny boy op.60/2 (Shakespeare: Twelfth Night) 2:24
7 Les trois s urs aveugles op.46/5 (Maeterlinck, from Pelléas et Mélisande) 3:27
The Three Blind Sisters
8 Im Feld ein Mädchen singt op.50/3 (Susman) 3:18
9 Souda, souda, sinisorsa (Forsman-Koskimies) 1:56
Swim, Little Duck, Swim
10 Finlandia-Hymni op.26 (Koskenniemi) 2:52
11 Lastu lainehilla op.17/7 (Calamnius-Kianto) 1:39
Driftwood
12 Illalle op.17/6 (Forsman-Koskimies) 1:48
To The Evening
Kim Borg, bass/Erik Werba, piano
13 Var det en dröm? op.37/4 (Wecksell) 2:05
Was it a Dream?
14 Flickan kom ifrån sin älsklings möte op.37/5 (Runeberg) 2:59
The Maiden Returned from her Lover s Tryst
15 Längtan heter min arfvedel op.86/2 (Karlfeldt) 2:51
Longing is my Heritage
16 På verandan vid havet op.38/2 (Rydberg) 3:05
On a Balcony by the Sea
17 Romeo op.61/4 (Tavaststjerna) 1:44
18 Höstkväll op.38/1 (Rydberg) 4:11
Autumn Evening
19 Den första kyssen op.37/1 (Runeberg) 2:01
The First Kiss
20 Långsamt som qvällskyn op.61/1 (Tavaststjerna) 2:30
Slowly as the Evening Sky
21 Norden op.90/1 (Runeberg) 2:33
The North
22 Narciss (Gripenberg) 2:14
Narcissus
23 Vilse op.17/4 (Tavaststjerna) 0:58
Astray
24 Kullervon valitus from Kullervo Symphony op.7 (Kalevala Runo XXXV) 2:35
Kullervo s Lament

Chamber / Solo Piano
CD 11
1 5 String Quartet in D minor op. 56 Voces intimae
Emerson SQ
6 Malinconia op. 20 for cello and piano
Schiff
7 The Spruce, Winter Landscape for solo piano
Forsberg
8 Romance in D flat for solo piano op 24/9 Cherkassky

Stage Works
CD 12 Stage Works 1
1 6 King Christian II op. 27 Suite for orchestra 23:33
Pelleas & Melisande 35

CD 13 Stage Works 2:
1 3 Scénes historiques Suite no. 1 op. 25
4 6 Scénes historiques Suite no.2 op. 66
7 Scaramouch op. 71
8 14 Swanwhite Suite op 54

CD 14 Stage Works 3
Four Kuolema extracts:
1 Valse triste op. 44 no. 1
2 Scene with Cranes op. 44 no. 2
3 Canzonetta op. 62a
4 Valse romantique op.62b
5 13 The Tempest Suite no. 1 op. 109 no. 2
14 20 The Tempest Suite no. 2

[Brahmsian]

From Amazon actually:

Product Description
An authoritative, comprehensive Edition covering all of the most important music Sibelius wrote.

Symphonies
CD 1
Symphony no. 1
Wiener Philharmoniker / Bernstein

CD 2
Symphony no. 2
Wiener Philharmoniker / Bernstein

CD 3
1 3 Symphony no. 3 ca. 30
Helsinki Radio Symphony Orchestra / Kamu

4 7 Lemminkänen Suite (45:15)
Helsinki Radio Symphony Orchestra / Kamu

CD 4
Symphonies nos. 4 & 6
Berliner Philharmoniker / Karajan

CD 5
Symphonies nos. 5 & 7
Berliner Philharmoniker / Karajan

CD 6 Kullervo Symphony
Turku PO / Jorma Panula

Tone Poems / Orchestral
CD 7 Tone Poems 1 (77:09)
En saga op. 9 18:28
Karelia Suite op. 11 II 14:48
Helsinki Radio Symphony Orchestra / Kamu
Rakastava for Strings op. 14 ca. 15
ASMF / Marriner

Spring Song op. 16 7:46
Finlandia op. 26 9:02
Pohjola s Daughter op. 49 12:05
Gothenburg SO / Järvi

CD 8 Tone Poems 2 (77:43)
Night Ride and Sunrise op. 55 14:49
In Memoriam op. 59 12
The Bard op. 64 6:53
Luonnotar op. 70 8:29
The Oceanides op. 73 10:23
Andante festivo (1924) 5:00
Tapiola op. 112 20:09

Concerto
CD 9
1 3 Violin Concerto in D minor op. 47
4 5 2 Serenades op. 69
6 Humoresque op. 87 no. 1

Songs
CD 10
1 Våren flyktar hastigt op.13/4 (Runeberg) 1:57
Spring Flies Fast
2 Diamanten på Märssnon op.36/6 (Wecksell) 2:34
A Diamond on March Snow
3 Säv, säv, susa op.36/4 (Fröding) 2:38
Sigh, Sigh, Sedges
4 Svarta rosor op.36/1 (Josephson) 2:11
Black Roses
5 Come Away, Death op.60/1(Shakespeare: Twelfth Night) 3:40
6 When that I was a little tiny boy op.60/2 (Shakespeare: Twelfth Night) 2:24
7 Les trois s urs aveugles op.46/5 (Maeterlinck, from Pelléas et Mélisande) 3:27
The Three Blind Sisters
8 Im Feld ein Mädchen singt op.50/3 (Susman) 3:18
9 Souda, souda, sinisorsa (Forsman-Koskimies) 1:56
Swim, Little Duck, Swim
10 Finlandia-Hymni op.26 (Koskenniemi) 2:52
11 Lastu lainehilla op.17/7 (Calamnius-Kianto) 1:39
Driftwood
12 Illalle op.17/6 (Forsman-Koskimies) 1:48
To The Evening
Kim Borg, bass/Erik Werba, piano
13 Var det en dröm? op.37/4 (Wecksell) 2:05
Was it a Dream?
14 Flickan kom ifrån sin älsklings möte op.37/5 (Runeberg) 2:59
The Maiden Returned from her Lover s Tryst
15 Längtan heter min arfvedel op.86/2 (Karlfeldt) 2:51
Longing is my Heritage
16 På verandan vid havet op.38/2 (Rydberg) 3:05
On a Balcony by the Sea
17 Romeo op.61/4 (Tavaststjerna) 1:44
18 Höstkväll op.38/1 (Rydberg) 4:11
Autumn Evening
19 Den första kyssen op.37/1 (Runeberg) 2:01
The First Kiss
20 Långsamt som qvällskyn op.61/1 (Tavaststjerna) 2:30
Slowly as the Evening Sky
21 Norden op.90/1 (Runeberg) 2:33
The North
22 Narciss (Gripenberg) 2:14
Narcissus
23 Vilse op.17/4 (Tavaststjerna) 0:58
Astray
24 Kullervon valitus from Kullervo Symphony op.7 (Kalevala Runo XXXV) 2:35
Kullervo s Lament

Chamber / Solo Piano
CD 11
1 5 String Quartet in D minor op. 56 Voces intimae
Emerson SQ
6 Malinconia op. 20 for cello and piano
Schiff
7 The Spruce, Winter Landscape for solo piano
Forsberg
8 Romance in D flat for solo piano op 24/9 Cherkassky

Stage Works
CD 12 Stage Works 1
1 6 King Christian II op. 27 Suite for orchestra 23:33
Pelleas & Melisande 35

CD 13 Stage Works 2:
1 3 Scénes historiques Suite no. 1 op. 25
4 6 Scénes historiques Suite no.2 op. 66
7 Scaramouch op. 71
8 14 Swanwhite Suite op 54

CD 14 Stage Works 3
Four Kuolema extracts:
1 Valse triste op. 44 no. 1
2 Scene with Cranes op. 44 no. 2
3 Canzonetta op. 62a
4 Valse romantique op.62b
5 13 The Tempest Suite no. 1 op. 109 no. 2
14 20 The Tempest Suite no. 2

Wonderful.  Thanks, John. 

[Mirror Image]

Wonderful.  Thanks, John. 

From one Sibelian to another: you're most welcome, Ray.

[vandermolen]

CD 8 looks like a terrific programme.

[Jaakko Keskinen]

Is the reason Luonnotar is performed/recorded relatively rarely it's difficulty or is it just not well liked (audience-wise or in academic circles)?

[ComposerOfAvantGarde]

Is the reason Luonnotar is performed/recorded relatively rarely it's difficulty or is it just not well liked (audience-wise or in academic circles)?

No kidding! It's my favourite tone poem by Sibelius!

[North Star]

Is the reason Luonnotar is performed/recorded relatively rarely it's difficulty or is it just not well liked (audience-wise or in academic circles)?

It is in Finnish, a language that is not too familiar for most singers. And there are loads of other Sibelius pieces that aren't performed often enough. Looking at Arkiv, there is a fair reperentation of it on CD.

No kidding! It's my favourite tone poem by Sibelius!

You sir have an excellent taste. 

Meanwhile, for some very late Sibelius on organ
https://www.youtube.com/v/KJoUIfYsHso

[Jaakko Keskinen]

No kidding! It's my favourite tone poem by Sibelius!

I'm inclined to agree. Along with Pohjola's daughter it's at the very top.

[71 dB]

I merely mentioned Williams in a passing sentence. Did not mean to start a debate.

I know, but mentioning anyone in a passing sentence always starts a debate on a discussion board. 

[Elgarian]

I know, but mentioning anyone in a passing sentence always starts a debate on a discussion board. 

I wonder what Theophilus Bultinghorn would have thought about that?

[Sits back and waits to see ...]

[Karl Henning]

Meanwhile, for some very late Sibelius on organ
https://www.youtube.com/v/KJoUIfYsHso

Lovely!

And, gosh: I know Iain . . . .