Musk is Enticed by the Lunar Siren

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Belle

From "Quillette" online magazine, written by Dr. Robert Zubrin:

Musk Is Enticed by the Lunar Siren
Elon Musk should remain focused on Mars; diverting to the Moon would be a mistake.


On 8 February, SpaceX CEO Elon Musk tweeted:

For those unaware, SpaceX has already shifted focus to building a self-growing city on the Moon, as we can potentially achieve that in less than 10 years, whereas Mars would take 20+ years.

The mission of SpaceX remains the same: extend consciousness and life as we know it to the stars ...

That said, SpaceX will also strive to build a Mars city and begin doing so in about 5 to 7 years, but the overriding priority is securing the future of civilization and the Moon is faster.

If Musk actually attempts to deliver on his words, he will be making the biggest mistake of his life. It is impossible to build a self-growing city on the Moon because many of the materials needed to support life—let alone technological civilisation—do not exist there. Those that do are present in forms that make their transformation into useful resources vastly more difficult than is the case on Earth or Mars.

Why the Moon is Unsuitable for Settlement
We ourselves are made of carbon compounds, as is everything we eat or wear and most of the things that we use. There is no carbon on the Moon. The other primary components of life are water and nitrogen. But with the exception of ice deposits in permanently shadowed, ultracold (-230° C) craters near the lunar south pole, water is only present in lunar soil in parts per million quantities. If there were concrete on the Moon, lunar colonists would mine it to extract its water content. Nitrogen is entirely absent.

By contrast, in addition to its polar ice caps, Mars possesses continent-sized regions of frozen mud that are sixty percent water by weight, as well as massive glacier formations of pure water ice in its northern hemisphere that extend as far south as 38° N—the latitude of Athens on Earth. Carbon and nitrogen are readily available everywhere, since Mars has an atmosphere that is 95 percent CO2 and 3 percent nitrogen.

The Moon does possess some oxygen, but it is in the form of rock, and the complex processes needed to extract it require both a lot of energy and very high temperatures that limit the lifetime of the necessary equipment. It is hard but possible to extract lunar oxygen from regolith and developing the technology and facilities to do so would pay off for any lunar base program. But on Mars, water and CO2 can readily be used to produce oxygen at room temperature via photosynthesis, water electrolysis, or other simple chemical engineering techniques that could be used on the very first human mission.

Unlike the Earth or Mars, the Moon has no history of hydrological activity. It therefore has no concentrated mineral ores, which are necessary for the practical extraction and production of useful metals and other chemicals. The average concentration of copper on Earth is only sixty parts per million. Yet people have made extensive uses of it since the Bronze Age because natural processes have concentrated it into useful ores. We also have vast amounts of nearly pure silica sand, highly enriched iron and aluminium oxides, and salt deposits. Mars was once a warm, wet planet, so it has enriched minerals, too. But no such substances exist on the Moon, which is just a vast pile of trash rock. This is a very important point, which we shall return to later.

To make matters worse, since the Moon has no atmosphere to shield it from solar flares, any plants grown there would have to be raised in underground greenhouses illuminated by electric lighting, generated at great expense by nuclear reactors or solar panels. By contrast, although the Martian atmosphere is thin, it is thick enough to protect against solar flares. This would allow plants to be grown on the Martian surface in thin-walled greenhouses, using natural sunlight to drive photosynthesis. This is very important, since plants need a lot of light. For example, to generate enough light to illuminate the entire state of Maryland (32,000 square km) you would need 32,000 gigawatts, roughly three times that currently generated by the entire human race.

Furthermore, while the Moon is closer to Earth and you can get there faster, the rocket propulsion requirement to travel one way from low-Earth orbit to the lunar surface is fifty percent greater than that needed to go to Mars. Rocket propulsion requirements are not determined by the distance travelled, but by the velocity change—the "delta-V"—that the mission requires. It takes 6 km/s of delta-V to travel from low-Earth orbit (LEO) to the surface of the Moon. But because Mars has an atmosphere, which can be used to decelerate an arriving spacecraft without the use of rocket propellant, it only takes 4 km/s of delta-V to go from LEO to the surface of Mars. The amount of propellant needed to accomplish a mission increases exponentially with the factor of delta-V divided by the rocket's exhaust velocity, which for the SpaceX Starship is 3.7 km/s. So this difference matters a lot.

But in fact, it's even worse than that, because it would be far more difficult to make the propellant for the return trip on the Moon than on Mars. The propulsion requirements for a lunar roundtrip would therefore be triple those for a Mars mission. If we accept SpaceX's numbers, the Starship will weigh 100 tonnes and be able to transport another 100 tonnes to orbit, therefore a Starship travelling to the Moon with 100 tonnes of cargo and returning empty would need to be refuelled in space using fourteen tanker Starship flights. Even if the Starship only travelled one-way, or lunar oxygen were available to support the return flight, it would still take eight Starship tanker launches. The same roundtrip to Mars would only need four tankers.

For the coming age of space settlement, the Moon compares to Mars as Greenland compared to North America during the age of European maritime expansion. Greenland was closer, and Europeans did visit it first. But it was too barren to support a vibrant new branch of human civilisation. If Musk actually wants to build a "self-growing city" to "secure the future of civilization" he is heading towards the wrong place. But why?

https://quillette.substack.com/p/musk-is-enticed-by-the-lunar-siren

Mandryka

#1
Interesting that the American Dark Enlightenment folks think so big. They start with the annexation of Gaza and  Greenland.  And then the moon and Mars. Expansion in two dimensions, and three.  I wonder what other powerful global forces are planning.
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Todd

Quote from: Mandryka on March 07, 2026, 03:28:55 AMInteresting that the American Dark Enlightenment folks think so big.

I thought Techno-Feudalism or Neo-Feudalism was the preferred nomenclature among the thinking classes to describe this New Gilded Age.  I can't keep track.
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People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

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Todd

A query for the moderators: is posting what is presumably copyright protected content in full generally considered good form?
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

Panem et Artificialis Intelligentia

Karl Henning

#4
Quote from: Belle on March 06, 2026, 01:03:21 PMFrom "Quillette" online magazine, written by Dr. Robert Zubrin:

Musk Is Enticed by the Lunar Siren
Elon Musk should remain focused on Mars; diverting to the Moon would be a mistake.


On 8 February, SpaceX CEO Elon Musk tweeted:

For those unaware, SpaceX has already shifted focus to building a self-growing city on the Moon, as we can potentially achieve that in less than 10 years, whereas Mars would take 20+ years.

The mission of SpaceX remains the same: extend consciousness and life as we know it to the stars ...

That said, SpaceX will also strive to build a Mars city and begin doing so in about 5 to 7 years, but the overriding priority is securing the future of civilization and the Moon is faster.

If Musk actually attempts to deliver on his words, he will be making the biggest mistake of his life. It is impossible to build a self-growing city on the Moon because many of the materials needed to support life—let alone technological civilisation—do not exist there. Those that do are present in forms that make their transformation into useful resources vastly more difficult than is the case on Earth or Mars.

Why the Moon is Unsuitable for Settlement
We ourselves are made of carbon compounds, as is everything we eat or wear and most of the things that we use. There is no carbon on the Moon. The other primary components of life are water and nitrogen. But with the exception of ice deposits in permanently shadowed, ultracold (-230° C) craters near the lunar south pole, water is only present in lunar soil in parts per million quantities. If there were concrete on the Moon, lunar colonists would mine it to extract its water content. Nitrogen is entirely absent.

By contrast, in addition to its polar ice caps, Mars possesses continent-sized regions of frozen mud that are sixty percent water by weight, as well as massive glacier formations of pure water ice in its northern hemisphere that extend as far south as 38° N—the latitude of Athens on Earth. Carbon and nitrogen are readily available everywhere, since Mars has an atmosphere that is 95 percent CO2 and 3 percent nitrogen.

The Moon does possess some oxygen, but it is in the form of rock, and the complex processes needed to extract it require both a lot of energy and very high temperatures that limit the lifetime of the necessary equipment. It is hard but possible to extract lunar oxygen from regolith and developing the technology and facilities to do so would pay off for any lunar base program. But on Mars, water and CO2 can readily be used to produce oxygen at room temperature via photosynthesis, water electrolysis, or other simple chemical engineering techniques that could be used on the very first human mission.

Unlike the Earth or Mars, the Moon has no history of hydrological activity. It therefore has no concentrated mineral ores, which are necessary for the practical extraction and production of useful metals and other chemicals. The average concentration of copper on Earth is only sixty parts per million. Yet people have made extensive uses of it since the Bronze Age because natural processes have concentrated it into useful ores. We also have vast amounts of nearly pure silica sand, highly enriched iron and aluminium oxides, and salt deposits. Mars was once a warm, wet planet, so it has enriched minerals, too. But no such substances exist on the Moon, which is just a vast pile of trash rock. This is a very important point, which we shall return to later.

To make matters worse, since the Moon has no atmosphere to shield it from solar flares, any plants grown there would have to be raised in underground greenhouses illuminated by electric lighting, generated at great expense by nuclear reactors or solar panels. By contrast, although the Martian atmosphere is thin, it is thick enough to protect against solar flares. This would allow plants to be grown on the Martian surface in thin-walled greenhouses, using natural sunlight to drive photosynthesis. This is very important, since plants need a lot of light. For example, to generate enough light to illuminate the entire state of Maryland (32,000 square km) you would need 32,000 gigawatts, roughly three times that currently generated by the entire human race.

Furthermore, while the Moon is closer to Earth and you can get there faster, the rocket propulsion requirement to travel one way from low-Earth orbit to the lunar surface is fifty percent greater than that needed to go to Mars. Rocket propulsion requirements are not determined by the distance travelled, but by the velocity change—the "delta-V"—that the mission requires. It takes 6 km/s of delta-V to travel from low-Earth orbit (LEO) to the surface of the Moon. But because Mars has an atmosphere, which can be used to decelerate an arriving spacecraft without the use of rocket propellant, it only takes 4 km/s of delta-V to go from LEO to the surface of Mars. The amount of propellant needed to accomplish a mission increases exponentially with the factor of delta-V divided by the rocket's exhaust velocity, which for the SpaceX Starship is 3.7 km/s. So this difference matters a lot.

But in fact, it's even worse than that, because it would be far more difficult to make the propellant for the return trip on the Moon than on Mars. The propulsion requirements for a lunar roundtrip would therefore be triple those for a Mars mission. If we accept SpaceX's numbers, the Starship will weigh 100 tonnes and be able to transport another 100 tonnes to orbit, therefore a Starship travelling to the Moon with 100 tonnes of cargo and returning empty would need to be refuelled in space using fourteen tanker Starship flights. Even if the Starship only travelled one-way, or lunar oxygen were available to support the return flight, it would still take eight Starship tanker launches. The same roundtrip to Mars would only need four tankers.

For the coming age of space settlement, the Moon compares to Mars as Greenland compared to North America during the age of European maritime expansion. Greenland was closer, and Europeans did visit it first. But it was too barren to support a vibrant new branch of human civilisation. If Musk actually wants to build a "self-growing city" to "secure the future of civilization" he is heading towards the wrong place. But why?

https://quillette.substack.com/p/musk-is-enticed-by-the-lunar-siren

Few things have made me laugh so heartily as the thought of Elon "Prancing Dipshit" Musk being motivated by "the hope of true greatness."
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Belle

I found the essay fascinating reading, especially written by an expert in physics and space.  There are very many things here I didn't know.

Crudblud

Yet another kook stuck in the military industrial complex bubble. This crap is of no benefit to ordinary people. Frankly he can choke on his own rocket exhaust pipe.

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Belle

Quote from: Todd on March 07, 2026, 04:37:55 AMA query for the moderators: is posting what is presumably copyright protected content in full generally considered good form?

I've done this before on another forum sans problems.  To tell truth I didn't give copyright a thought.

Belle

Quote from: Mandryka on March 07, 2026, 03:28:55 AMInteresting that the American Dark Enlightenment folks think so big. They start with the annexation of Gaza and  Greenland.  And then the moon and Mars. Expansion in two dimensions, and three.  I wonder what other powerful global forces are planning.

I've never heard of the Dark Enlightenment.  I posted the essay because it's about problems inhabiting other planets.

Belle

Quote from: Crudblud on March 07, 2026, 02:01:23 PMYet another kook stuck in the military industrial complex bubble. This crap is of no benefit to ordinary people. Frankly he can choke on his own rocket exhaust pipe.

They speak well of you, though! :)

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Todd

Quote from: Belle on March 07, 2026, 02:45:51 PMTo tell truth I didn't give copyright a thought.

Some people don't.  Whatever floats your boat.
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

Panem et Artificialis Intelligentia

Brian

After looking up the original, I find that part of it is posted free to the public as a "teaser," and the second half requires users to register to read. It is free to read, but it is private.

I have edited the original post and a quote of it here to include the free teaser and a link to the complete article, but not the full private text. We have received takedown notices in the past when posting texts from private sites and professional publications. If readers wish to see the full text, they can click the free link.

Spotted Horses

I get to the part about going to the moon/mars will secure the future of civilization and conclude there is no reason to read farther.
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Belle

Quote from: Todd on March 07, 2026, 02:55:33 PMSome people don't.  Whatever floats your boat.

As I say, people on CMG cut and paste whole articles all the time.

Belle

Quote from: Brian on March 07, 2026, 03:33:52 PMAfter looking up the original, I find that part of it is posted free to the public as a "teaser," and the second half requires users to register to read. It is free to read, but it is private.

I have edited the original post and a quote of it here to include the free teaser and a link to the complete article, but not the full private text. We have received takedown notices in the past when posting texts from private sites and professional publications. If readers wish to see the full text, they can click the free link.

Oh, OK, no worries.  I've not posted anything before here which is subject to copyright and, besides, Quillette is looking for more readers so I'm sure Claire won't mind people reading it in toto.

Belle

Quote from: Spotted Horses on March 07, 2026, 03:46:43 PMI get to the part about going to the moon/mars will secure the future of civilization and conclude there is no reason to read farther.

It may have many residual benefits in the form of technology, polymers etc.  Some of it possibly helpful for aviation, making aircraft safer, more fuel efficient and lighter.

Mandryka

#18
Quote from: Spotted Horses on March 07, 2026, 03:46:43 PMI get to the part about going to the moon/mars will secure the future of civilization and conclude there is no reason to read farther.

There's a strong current of technological optimism in The Dark Enlightenment. They promote the idea, for example, that science will save civilisation from the ravages of fossil fuels - big mirrors in space to deflect the sun's rays, that sort of thing. They need stories in the media they own to reassure the general public, while they heroically create wealth.
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Todd

Quote from: Mandryka on March 07, 2026, 11:24:06 PMThere's a strong current of technological optimism in The Dark Enlightenment. They promote the idea, for example, that science will save civilisation from the ravages of fossil fuels - big mirrors in space to deflect the sun's rays, that sort of thing.


There is a strain of ecotopians that cling to fantasies that various "renewable" energy sources will allow for both planet-saving miracles and a continuation of modern, western standards of living. No one wants to say that ecological goals necessarily require a material reduction in the standard of living in the west.  Likewise, no one wants to assess the costs and benefits of energy production and goods production like an actuary, including concepts like excess deaths attributable to anthropogenic global warming over (insurable?) time periods. Such utopians are moderately preferable to catastrophists, whose track record of doomsaying is a wee bit off.
The universe is change; life is opinion. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

People would rather believe than know - E.O. Wilson

Propaganda death ensemble - Tom Araya

Panem et Artificialis Intelligentia