Pastoral 6th

[nakulanb]

Is it too convoluted for its own good?

[prémont]

Are we talking about Beethoven's Sixth Symphony?

If so, you have to elaborate why you find it to be convoluted.

[(poco) Sforzando]

Is it too convoluted for its own good?

No.

[nakulanb]

Are we talking about Beethoven's Sixth Symphony?

If so, you have to elaborate why you find it to be convoluted.

I go back and forth between ease of comprehension of a work and intense complexity done well as the ethos to follow for good composition.

The 6th by Ludwig falls into the latter camp and when I made this thread, I was leaning to the initial.

Elvis is a great example of the first.

[Kalevala]

I go back and forth between ease of comprehension of a work and intense complexity done well as the ethos to follow for good composition.

The 6th by Ludwig falls into the latter camp and when I made this thread, I was leaning to the initial.

Elvis is a great example of the first.

Elvis?  Sorry, but you've lost me.   

K

[AnotherSpin]

Beethoven is nowhere near Elvis's level. I've been desperately searching YouTube for footage of Beethoven's live shows to find out whether he could move across the stage at all, you know, hip swivels, dramatic poses, the whole package. And I'm finding absolutely nothing. Not a single video. The guy couldn't even get anyone to film him. What a loser.

[prémont]

I go back and forth between ease of comprehension of a work and intense complexity done well as the ethos to follow for good composition.

The 6th by Ludwig falls into the latter camp and when I made this thread, I was leaning to the initial.

Elvis is a great example of the first.

You have completely confused me.

[prémont]

Beethoven is nowhere near Elvis's level. I've been desperately searching YouTube for footage of Beethoven's live shows to find out whether he could move across the stage at all, you know, hip swivels, dramatic poses, the whole package. And I'm finding absolutely nothing. Not a single video. The guy couldn't even get anyone to film him. What a loser.

Never heard of Elvis van Beethoven? 

[AnotherSpin]

Never heard of Elvis van Beethoven? 

Never heard of Ludwig Presley either...

[prémont]

What's this BTW?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&app=desktop&v=12NQ8NRs5z8

[prémont]

And this?

https://www.facebook.com/ldwgprsly/

[AnotherSpin]

And this?

https://www.facebook.com/ldwgprsly/

There are quite a few people with the surname or first name Presley.

By the way, many years ago I worked at the history department of one of the Odesa universities, and we had a colleague with the surname Mozart. Her ancestors were resettled in the Black Sea steppes during the reign of Catherine II.

[nakulanb]

You have completely confused me.

Complexity vs Simplicity

[prémont]

Complexity vs Simplicity

Pop music is simple and easy to understand and most often forgettable. With classical music it is usually different. It can be complex and difficult to understand, but on the other hand there is also material for exploration - if you are interested in it.

[nakulanb]

Pop music is simple and easy to understand and most often forgettable. With classical music it is usually different. It can be complex and difficult to understand, but on the other hand there is also material for exploration - if you are interested in it.

How do you account for the likes of Paul Simon or Dylan?

[Kalevala]

@nakulanb

Some suggestions:  Be more specific in terms of the title of your thread.  I don't know whether there's one already there about Beethoven's sixth symphony (Try checking first.  Use the search engine).  Also, we try hard here (imperfectly) to mostly separate other types of music from classical music...to which the forum is dedicated.  And, yes, there often are overlaps.  And, yes, I love (and greatly respect) other types of music.

Best wishes,

K

[prémont]

How do you account for the likes of Paul Simon or Dylan?

I wrote:

Pop music is simple and easy to understand and most often forgettable.

Well, I consider Simon and Dylan to be pop music, easy to understand, but not always as forgettable as e.g. ABBA or Elvis.

[Mandryka]

What do yous guys make of Gould's performance of the Liszt transcription?

[nakulanb]

I wrote:

Well, I consider Simon and Dylan to be pop music, easy to understand, but not always as forgettable as e.g. ABBA or Elvis.

Folk is high level poetry.

[prémont]

Folk is high level poetry.

Yes, it often is. But I have to admit that I in the first hand I thought of comparing the music. It's difficult to compare the folk music texts with the textless Pastoral symphony.