Beethoven's minor works argued as counting against his major

[Rod Corkin]

Is this kind of fighting necesarry I ask myself.......

My friend please do not confuse bitching with fighting, for there is no fight going on here. Can you believe all this began because I dared to say something positive about Beethoven's 'The Ruins of Athens'?? Alas in a moderation-free forum these things happen...

[Harry]

My friend please do not confuse bitching with fighting, for there is no fight going on here. Can you believe all this began because I dared to say something positive about Beethoven's 'The Ruins of Athens'?? Alas in a moderation-free forum these things happen...

The Ruins of Athens, happens to be one of my favourite Beethoven pieces, and no, I cannot believe what ensued afterwards, but in one thing you are mistaken there is effective moderation on this forum.
People get lots of room to say what they think, but for everything there is a line, when crossed........
Bitching and fighting are very close when it comes to a destructive manipulation with words....

[Rod Corkin]

The Ruins of Athens, happens to be one of my favourite Beethoven pieces, and no, I cannot believe what ensued afterwards, but in one thing you are mistaken there is effective moderation on this forum.
People get lots of room to say what they think, but for everything there is a line, when crossed........
Bitching and fighting are very close when it comes to a destructive manipulation with words....

Forgive me but during the time I have spent here and I have yet to witness a single example of genuine moderation. Basically it's a free-for-all for the 'locals'.

[karlhenning]

In a moderation-free forum, things like saying something positive about Beethoven's 'The Ruins of Athens' happen?

Well, there are worse things.

Heck, I'll say something positive about it:  It's pretty good.  I'd listen to it once every two or three years, without complaint.

[karlhenning]

The thing is, Rod (and by all means, report me to the moderators for saying so), the drum you beat on, "Beethoven is The Master, and every note of his is golden" is an eccentricity.  An eccentricity to which you are certainly welcome.  But most of us are apt to feel that there are 300 pieces we would sooner hear, and out of which we will derive greater musical value, than the obscurer reaches of Beethoven, notwithstanding your own obsequiousness towards him.

[karlhenning]

Heck, I'll say something positive about it:  It's pretty good.  I'd listen to it once every two or three years, without complaint.

Well, but I wouldn't pay to hear a professional orchestra play it live.  That were a waste of mine money.

[Harry]

Forgive me but during the time I have spent here and I have yet to witness a single example of genuine moderation. Basically it's a free-for-all for the 'locals'.

Yes that I can easily understand. Sometimes I wish reaction time would be a bit quicker, but then moderators cannot oversee all at the same time, but they do what they can. I was attacked many times, but I never felt a lack of moderation. But coming in from time to time, will give you the impression, of a free for all.....

[Harry]

Well, but I wouldn't pay to hear a professional orchestra play it live.  That were a waste of mine money.

Well that is a very personal thing, I have heard it live, played by a very good Dutch orchestra, and it sounded riveting, but what do I know.....

[karlhenning]

But coming in from time to time, will give you the impression, of a free for all.....

And especially to Rod, who really just waits for people to download his clips and acknowledge the supremacy of his own musical perspective.

At any rate, Harry, it is not too soon for Rod to learn that, however the moderators operate, they do not exist to enforce Rod's notions of a forum.

Rod has (I am told) his own forum for that.  I am sure it is a lively place.

[karlhenning]

Well that is a very personal thing, I have heard it live, played by a very good Dutch orchestra, and it sounded riveting, but what do I know.....

Why, Harry, if you enjoyed it, cherish it.  If I heard it live, played by a very good orchestra, I may not enjoy it nearly so much as you.  It would be a dull forum, Harry, if we all heard all music in exactly the same way.

[johnQpublic]

it sounded riveting

So you were transfixed by a simple one-minute melody in two-part form, followed by another one also in two part-part form with maybe a following standard three-part form minuet?

WoW!  

[karlhenning]

Anyway, I'd much rather hear (for instance) the following seven pieces performed live than any Beethoven overture:

von Weber, Invitation to the Dance
Strauss, Roses from the South
Shostakovich, Festive Overture
Britten, Passacaglia from Peter Grimes
Elgar, Sospiri
Mendelssohn, Overture to A Midsummer Night's Dream
Hindemith, Kammermusik, any of 'em, take yer pick

[karlhenning]

So you were transfixed by a simple one-minute melody in two-part form, followed by another one also in two part-part form with maybe a following standard three-part form minuet?

WoW!  

Heck, Harry would probably work out to it 

[Harry]

Why, Harry, if you enjoyed it, cherish it.  If I heard it live, played by a very good orchestra, I may not enjoy it nearly so much as you.  It would be a dull forum, Harry, if we all heard all music in exactly the same way.

Thank you for that.
And I never said that I thought that music sounds the same to everyone, hell most of the music I play is unpalatable to most.....

[Rod Corkin]

Yes that I can easily understand. Sometimes I wish reaction time would be a bit quicker, but then moderators cannot oversee all at the same time, but they do what they can. I was attacked many times, but I never felt a lack of moderation. But coming in from time to time, will give you the impression, of a free for all.....

It's OK Harry, I'm not unduly concerned about what goes on here, I just pop back every now any again to see if things have improved. But it's interesting that some of the Mafia who mouth off here at the drop of a hat are as quiet as lambs at CMG...

[Harry]

So you were transfixed by a simple one-minute melody in two-part form, followed by another one also in two part-part form with maybe a following standard three-part form minuet?

WoW!  

Yes, but then I m very simpleminded, I thought you knew that...

[Rod Corkin]

Rod has (I am told) his own forum for that.  I am sure it is a lively place.

Poor marks for observation Karl, the link to my new forum is in my signature.

[Harry]

It's OK Harry, I'm not unduly concerned about what goes on here, I just pop back every now any again to see if things have improved. But it's interesting that some of the Mafia who mouth off here at the drop of a hat are as quiet as lambs at CMG...

You are right in that.....

[Mark]

Poor marks for observation Karl, the link to my new forum is in my signature.

Hear that, Harry? Are you to berate Rod now as you recently berated me?

[Mark]

But it's interesting that some of the Mafia who mouth off here at the drop of a hat are as quiet as lambs at CMG...

That's because, compared to here, CMG is run by the Mafia ...