Christianity as sun-worship

[david johnson]

'Joseph of Arimatrea brought reviving, not embalming, herbs to the tomb.'

what were they?  where in the bible are they identified?

dj

[JoshLilly]

December 25th might come from the birth of Mithra(s?). I believe this was why December 25th later became the chosen celebration of the birth of Jesus, but I'm not sure. Jesus would more likely have been born some other time during the year, probably. In any case, early Christians didn't even pick that day, but instead celebrated on January 6th, which was basically "Jesus Day" (Epiphany), a holy day on his birth, baptism, and possibly other things. Doesn't the Eastern Orthodox Church still celebrate Christmas on January 6th?


I have an atheist friend who believes sun worship is the most sensible of all religions, since the sun causes genetic mutations. He says the sun really does deserve credit for the existence of Humans!

[Brian]

I have an atheist friend who believes sun worship is the most sensible of all religions, since the sun causes genetic mutations. He says the sun really does deserve credit for the existence of Humans!

That sounds a lot like George Carlin! 

[BachQ]

Christ, possibly, once revived, went off to the South of France to join Mary Magdalen, his long time lover.

How long did this relationship last?

[MishaK]

In any case, early Christians didn't even pick that day, but instead celebrated on January 6th, which was basically "Jesus Day" (Epiphany), a holy day on his birth, baptism, and possibly other things. Doesn't the Eastern Orthodox Church still celebrate Christmas on January 6th?

Early Christians celebrated on December 25th as well, but by virtue of the introduction of the Gregorian calendar for Catholics but not for  the Orthodox, the Orthodox December 25th remained behind by two weeks and became January 6th by Gregorian counting. It still is December 25 by Julian counting. If you get an ultra-orthodox calendar it has all 365 days of the year moved by 13 days, with two dates for each day, one Julian, one Gregorian. For example, my family's patron saint is St. Nicholas (patron saints' day is a big Serbian-orthodox feast). In the Gergorian calendar St. Nicholas is celebrated on December 6th (that's when kids in Germany get presents from 'Santa Claus'). In the orthodox practice this becomes December 19th by virtue of continued adherence to the Julian calendar. Everything is delayed by 13 days.

[Anne]

This thread should be locked.

[Gurn Blanston]

This thread should be locked.

May I ask why? I'm always willing to entertain reasonable suggestions, but this is a comparatively harmless thread compared to a lot of religious ones. And the roots of Christianity in Paganism are well-established, so discussion is within bounds.



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[Anne]

It has the potential to start many fights.

[head-case]

It has the potential to start many fights.

In my experience the worst fights start when someone asserts that his turntable, tube amp and 78 RPM record sounds better than your CD because music shouldn't be broken up into bits.

[Gurn Blanston]

It has the potential to start many fights.

Well, as I have discovered to my dismay over the years, they ALL do (start a thread on Karajan and see what happens ). I will keep an eye on it though, and if aggression rears its ugly head, it will be gone in a trice. Fair enough? 




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[Anne]

  

[MN Dave]

Gurn is not afraid to put the hammer down.

[david johnson]

May I ask why? I'm always willing to entertain reasonable suggestions, but this is a comparatively harmless thread compared to a lot of religious ones. And the roots of Christianity in Paganism are well-established, so discussion is within bounds.

it is the root of some catholic procedures more than it is christianity in general.

dj

[Gurn Blanston]

it is the root of some catholic procedures more than it is christianity in general.

dj

True enough. Although in my ignorance I thought that the original christianity became catholicism and then the disaffected branched out from there. Probably not though, eh? You guys care a lot more about this stuff than I do, so I don't have a hope of joining this discussion as an equal. Think I'll start a Boccherini thread...



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[Xenophanes]

The 'son of God' is the Sun God, Christian worship focussed on Sundays.

Sunrise is ref 'Christ has risen', also 'Christ will come again' (every morning!), to shed light and warmth etc; crown of thorns is the sunrays; 'Christ up in heaven' & 'can be seen coming in the clouds' etc etc.

Do you believe everything you see on the internet?

[david johnson]

Gurn Blanston:

'I thought that the original christianity became catholicism'

most did 'evolve' that way, but not all.

discuss all you wish.  you will NOT appear less informed than some of my friends here

dj

[Hector]

How long did this relationship last?

There is no record but the Mary Magdelen cult was suppressed by Rome, I believe.

An alternative was that, his work done in Palestine, he travelled East.

Let me see: if I was a holy man from a Jewish community suppressed by an outside empire would I go off to the South of France to live forever with the buxom and very sexy Mary Magdelen (remember the feet washing with hair) for the rest of my life or go East?

No contest. Eat it is

[Catison]

No contest. Eat it is

That's assuming there were Szechuan restaurants in those days.

[MishaK]

I thought that the original christianity became catholicism and then the disaffected branched out from there.

Well, mostly true, except that Catholicism only came about to begin with because one branch of "original Christianity" decided to have a worldly political leader, aka the Pope, which the other "original Christians" thought was not really true to the "original" and which they then refused to recognize. The closest to "original" Christianity you will find today is Coptic Orthodoxy as practiced in Lebanon, Syria, Israel, Iraq, Egypt (Boutros Boutros-Ghali is an Egyptian Coptic Christian).

It has the potential to start many fights.

Now that the original poster has not only abandoned this thread but the forum altogether, I'd say the likelihood of this has been reduced by an order of magnitude.

[drogulus]

      Two kinds of fights are spurred by such threads, those about the meaning of the topic and those of a personal nature, sometimes insulting. This is also true with threads about composers who are not always British with big moustaches. We will soldier on regardless, trying to pick out the good stuff. I wouldn't want to eliminate the latter kind of fight if it meant the end of the former kind as well.

      If there was a way of fine-tuning things without a heavy hand I think Rob would come up with it. I'm not happy about the name-calling, though, and I wish that simply exhorting members to be more careful was more effective. But even somewhat meanspirited but noninsulting exchanges ought to be allowed, in my opinion, when substantive matters are being discussed.