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Re: The Worst First!
« Reply #320 on: July 27, 2018, 05:37:23 AM »

There’s no doubt in my mind that Dvorak’s 1st is pure, unadulterated dreck. It has its defenders of course. They're the same that send pics of their pet to the Ugliest Dog contests  :P.


I don't think Dvorak's first qualifies as the worst ever first, just as Dvorak's weakest. I know from previous discussions elsewhere that many people like it but I don't. Playing the long exposition repeat in the 1st movement - necessary for some, it seems  - only makes it worse.

Exactly.

This morning I started to revisit the Dvorak Symphony #1 (i.e. I heard most of the first movement before needing to break off).  I had not heard it for many years until today: for some reason I was filled with a desire last week to revisit all the symphonies (I have the recommended-by-Sarge    8)   set by Witold Rowicki ).

I was struck by a resemblance now and then to the works of Jan Kalliwoda, which is understandable.  However, I have no idea whether Dvorak knew much or any of his predecessor's music.

Anyway, my previously low opinion of the work began to change: we shall see!  0:)

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Re: The Worst First!
« Reply #321 on: July 27, 2018, 05:42:44 AM »
For the record, I've never sent a picture of a pet anywhere.  Retract that calumny, André8)
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« Reply #322 on: July 27, 2018, 06:58:46 AM »
For the record, I've never sent a picture of a pet anywhere.  Retract that calumny, André8)

I’m sure you have pet peeves, Karl. Esp. the orange mutt kind :laugh:

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« Reply #323 on: July 27, 2018, 07:14:49 AM »
The worst first?

Wouldn't that be Trump first?

I think I have heard this before.

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Re: The Worst First!
« Reply #324 on: July 31, 2018, 03:20:21 AM »
Yes, in Germany you always eat the Wurst first!   8)

But we are talking about SYMPHONIES now!

Since the forum loves lists and rankings, how about your opinions on the Worst First Symphony by a composer?

Dvorak's Bells of Zlonice?  (Anybody?  Anybody?)

Khachaturian?  (Can you even find a recording of it?)

Copland?   :o

How many people have I just outraged with these suggestions?   0:)

Responding only eleven years late. I think that Khachaturian's First Symphony is excellent but you need to hear Tjeknavorian's LSO performance to hear it at its best.
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Re: The Worst First!
« Reply #325 on: July 31, 2018, 03:42:20 AM »
Responding only eleven years late.

 ;)


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I think that Khachaturian's First Symphony is excellent but you need to hear Tjeknavorian's LSO performance to hear it at its best.

Okay, I have found that performance via my classical music on-line service (called, oddly enough, Classical Music On-Line,  ;)   a Russian company), so I will give it a try!   0:)
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Re: The Worst First!
« Reply #326 on: July 31, 2018, 04:10:26 AM »
Well, you knew there had to be a Melodiya recording of the Khachaturian First!
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« Reply #327 on: September 02, 2018, 05:08:32 AM »
my first selection would be biased.
but Saint Saens First. ...well i dislike his symphonies in general and haven't come to terms with listening to his chamber works... it's just that i get far too frustrated trying to figure out who i am listening to.

but all in all subjectively i would say Sibelius' it really kinda was a let down.


That or Walton's (which is in my favourite key.)

For a while i would have said Brianps Gothic, but i revisited it and was amazed, (my answers subjectively will change, but it will always be Saint Saens for me.)

*insert rant about Saint Saens here, followed by a few dozen headbangs into the wall from presto rall. larghissimo shortly after a fermented pause falling over.

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Re: The Worst First!
« Reply #328 on: September 02, 2018, 05:41:12 AM »
my first selection would be biased.
but Saint Saens First. ...

I wasn't even aware that Saint Saens composed a first symphony.

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Re: The Worst First!
« Reply #329 on: September 02, 2018, 05:58:22 AM »
he composed a few. let me check the number he had, *checks, he had three.  as well as a few non numbered symphonies

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Re: The Worst First!
« Reply #330 on: September 02, 2018, 06:03:24 AM »
he composed a few. let me check the number he had, *checks, he had three.  as well as a few non numbered symphonies

I know, I was being poorly sarcastic  8) 
I do like the Organ Symphony a little, but honestly can't remember last time I listened to it, or wanted to. Other than that the only time I listen to Saint Saens is when Aquarium from Carnival is being used in a movie or commercial. So not by choice.

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Re: The Worst First!
« Reply #331 on: September 02, 2018, 06:11:52 AM »
I know, I was being poorly sarcastic  8) 
I do like the Organ Symphony a little, but honestly can't remember last time I listened to it, or wanted to. Other than that the only time I listen to Saint Saens is when Aquarium from Carnival is being used in a movie or commercial. So not by choice.


*nods, i think his second was the first symphony i ended up turning off and switching to Joe Hisaishi's Princess Mononoke Symphonic Suite to recover from the madness. :O (that piece was my personal health potion if i hear horrid music. but now it is Marin Marais' Gall Bladder Operation. :D

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Re: The Worst First!
« Reply #332 on: September 02, 2018, 06:16:15 AM »


*nods, i think his second was the first symphony i ended up turning off and switching to Joe Hisaishi's Princess Mononoke Symphonic Suite to recover from the madness. :O (that piece was my personal health potion if i hear horrid music. but now it is Marin Marais' Gall Bladder Operation. :D

You had me at Joe Hisaishi.

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« Reply #333 on: September 02, 2018, 06:30:48 AM »
:D yay :D i have found someone with similar music tastes. *nods.

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Re: The Worst First!
« Reply #334 on: September 02, 2018, 08:17:17 AM »
I do like the Organ Symphony a little, but honestly can't remember last time I listened to it, or wanted to.

Curiously, we have heard the piece twice live in Symphony Hall.  We like it, but . . . it would be a funny world, if we all thought the same  8)
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« Reply #335 on: September 02, 2018, 08:46:00 AM »
Curiously, we have heard the piece twice live in Symphony Hall.  We like it, but . . . it would be a funny world, if we all thought the same  8)

i agree with you there. :3 but it would be a scary world. :O


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Re: The Worst First!
« Reply #336 on: September 02, 2018, 12:24:18 PM »
Is Bruckner's First Symphony any good?
Never heard it.
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Re: The Worst First!
« Reply #337 on: September 02, 2018, 12:26:54 PM »
Is Bruckner's First Symphony any good?
Never heard it.

The first one he wrote (the F minor "Study Symphony") or the one he gave the number 1 to (the second one he wrote, in C minor)?

The F minor isn't all that distinctive, but the C minor does have some fine things in it.
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Re: The Worst First!
« Reply #338 on: September 02, 2018, 01:17:39 PM »
Is Bruckner's First Symphony any good?
Never heard it.

Of course it is good!!! It's Bruckner!  8)


Symphony "0" (Die Nullte) is also worth your time!  Mahlerian is correct!
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Re: The Worst First!
« Reply #339 on: September 03, 2018, 12:42:01 AM »
Thanks Mahlerian and Cato. I'd forgotten about Symphony No.0.
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