9/11 was a govt strategy to invade for middle eastern oil, but was it immoral?

[Sean]

Any thinking person understands there were serious inconsistencies in the offical version of 9/11 and that those responsible are people acting for Western interests, not terrorists acting against them. The evidence for controlled demolition of WTC is absolutely overwhelming, orchestrated to allow Western powers to invade the last of the world's important oil fields. If you're a CNN sponge and new to the real issues, there are endless sites, or Youtube videos, on 9/11 and peak oil.

Many of the 9/11 sites though are naturally too busy to take the discussion further- the real question is whether the charade, that if exposed would finish the West's whole credibility, was morally justified. A post-peak oil world could lead to the deaths of hundreds of millions of Westerners by starvation, and very possibly two billion across the world, and all that has been done over the last few years is to put off the collapse for as long as possible- so were they wrong?

What's really needed is to completely replace the wider political democratic systems to put good leadership in place that uses resources wisely with the rest of the planet and ensuring people live within their means and not loot the rest of the world- but it's not going to happen. Westerners are 20% of humanity but use 80% of the resources while the other 80% gets by on the other 20%. But do they deserve to starve and see their world destroyed when the oil runs out?

(This is one of my more serious posts.)

[Great Gable]

You have to be kidding!!!!!!!!!!!

Have a little more respect for those people that died. There is NO evidence that 9/11 was a conspiracy created by the west. This post is offensive,

[Sergeant Rock]

(This is one of my more serious posts.)

No it isn't.

Sarge

[m_gigena]

A post-peak oil world could lead to the deaths of hundreds of millions of Westerners by starvation, and very possibly two billion across the world, and all that has been done over the last few years is to put off the collapse for as long as possible- so were they wrong?

Westerners are 20% of humanity but use 80% of the resources while the other 80% gets by on the other 20%. But do they deserve to starve and see their world destroyed when the oil runs out?

You can use your western earned money on FSLR, CSUN, SPWR, SOLF, LDK and others; get rich and afford those underage hookers exclusive for Mega-Tycoons. Perhaps then you become a less sad man.

[m_gigena]

How silly of me, I forgot Trina Solar!.

[Sean]

Have a little more respect for those people that died. There is NO evidence that 9/11 was a conspiracy created by the west. This post is offensive,

Gable & Sarge, I've heard this argument but I don't understand it: my respect for the dead is very much there, but it isn't really an issue. The issue is what caused their deaths. The arguments for 9/11 being an entirely internal project are much stronger than those for the official view- but people just don't want to know, and not without reason.

But this is a critical arts forum: Sarge like me, you've engaged with huge amounts of serious music that gets your brain thinking from all different angles and on many subtle levels, yet you seem to have only contempt for anything other than the wiring of those who can't think.

My original question is important.

[Bonehelm]

It really isn't a wise thing to do, Sean. Talk about 9/11 conspiracy on a board that consists of mostly Americans?

[Sean]

As I say, if this was a pop culture forum I wouldn't be trying to engage in serious discussion outside the standard view as soaked up by the masses. Americans can think as much as anyone else.

[Great Gable]

It really isn't a wise thing to do, Sean. Talk about 9/11 conspiracy on a board that consists of mostly Americans?

On another music forum I participate in I know of three people that lost relatives in the WTC. There's a fair chance that the same proportion will be found here. Whatever you believe to be true Sean, you might give a thought to those people and what they think of the conspiracy theories.

If you belive that there is evidence then for goodness sake cite your references so that people can view and decide for themselves. They had better have some credibility as well, if you want people to take them seriously. Evidence on the internet regarding any conspiracy theory must be regarded, by andyone with a double figure IQ, as spurious at best.

[Sean]

Gable, I could easily spend the next two hours citing you references. To begin with as a good overview of 9/11 you can watch the whole of a recent documentary called Loose Change on Youtube- there are others but it's lays out many of the basic and unanswerable points.

[Gustav]

what a creep.....

[Gustav]

It really isn't a wise thing to do, Sean. Talk about 9/11 conspiracy on a board that consists of mostly Americans?

so, what's your point? Are you saying that people other than Americans have a higher chance of accepting this conspiracy theory? oh, so because they are more likely to be anti-American? Do you guys have any ideas as how offensive and hurtful this post can be to some people? or you are just so ignorant that you don't give a damn?

[Sean]

However you look at it, why is it offensive to investigate the cause of someone's death?

[Montpellier]

I must admit there were many questions left unanswered; peculiar circumstances like moving Saudi money just before the attack.   And how come the administration knew more hijacked aircraft were in the air at least two hours before the pentagon was hit, yet there's a military airfield less than 30 miles away.   It was a great tragedy but I have to confess that the Americans are not beyond sacrificing people in some greater aim.   Many thosands of Iraqi innocents died in what ensued so that's beyond argument.  

I remain undecided but I go along with Sean thinking something deeper lurks.  My worst thoughts were the American administration having a plan in mind then creating a crisis so that plan could be presented as a feasible solution. If that was perchance the case, then it was a hugely overplayed crisis with terrible results.        

Edit: just recollecting - didn't they know about the hijacked aircraft at around 7.00 am?  Four hijacked aircraft?  Did that ring no alarm bells?

It's easy to scream conspiracy but that doesn't abrogate strategy. 

[Shrunk]

However you look at it, why is it offensive to investigate the cause of someone's death?

I agree.  The fact that it may offend families of victims is no reason to avoid discussing the possibility of a 9-11 conspiracy.

The reason to avoid discussing it is because only people whose capacity for logical thought has been short-circuited believe in such a conspiracy.

[Don]

Any thinking person understands there were serious inconsistencies in the offical version of 9/11 and that those responsible are people acting for Western interests, not terrorists acting against them. The evidence for controlled demolition of WTC is absolutely overwhelming, orchestrated to allow Western powers to invade the last of the world's important oil fields. If you're a CNN sponge and new to the real issues, there are endless sites, or Youtube videos, on 9/11 and peak oil.

I'm getting tired of the dribble you put out on this board.  You say there is overwhelming evidence for your position, so put your money where your mouth is.  Don't give me a series of articles to read.  State your case as logically as you can, and we'll see if it stands up to scrutiny.  However, up to this point, you haven't tried to make your case.  

Most folks who put forth conspiracy theories are nut-jobs.  Unless you provide your evidence, I'll have to assume you're one of them.

[Don]

However you look at it, why is it offensive to investigate the cause of someone's death?

Are you going to do an investigation?  Do you have any credentials to do so?  Look inward, my man.  You need to concentrate on yourself, not thousands of folks who died thousands of miles away from you.

[Great Gable]

I'm getting tired of the dribble you put out on this board.  You say there is overwhelming evidence for your position, so put your money where your mouth is.  Don't give me a series of articles to read.  State your case as logically as you can, and we'll see if it stands up to scrutiny.  However, up to this point, you haven't tried to make your case.  

Most folks who put forth conspiracy theories are nut-jobs.  Unless you provide your evidence, I'll have to assume you're one of them.

Thank you Don! I asked for the same and it's still not forthcoming. I have looked at both sides of many conspiracy theories, not just 9/11 and the simple fact is there is no evidence (to my eyes) to support. That is, unless you are extremely gullible. Then people will believe what they like, regardless of evidence or common sense.

[Don]

All I'm asking from Sean is his step-by-step scenario that leads to the conclusion that the U.S. Government planned and executed the 9/11 event.

[M forever]

But this is a critical arts forum: Sarge like me, you've engaged with huge amounts of serious music that gets your brain thinking from all different angles and on many subtle levels, yet you seem to have only contempt for anything other than the wiring of those who can't think.

Sarge has, but you haven't. You really don't have much of a clue about music. Like about apparently everything else. I don't know much about everything else though. But I know a few things about music, enough in any case to clearly see that you don't. Like everything else that enters the twisted paths of your screwed up mind, music hasn't seemed to have made any positive impact on you.

I thought that you were only into pseudo-philosophical discourses. Now you have apparently discovered silly conspiracy theories. You actually managed to sink below your own level!