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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12460 on: November 13, 2020, 08:03:13 AM »
He literally corrects that in the very review we're talking about.

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« Reply #12461 on: November 19, 2020, 01:54:13 PM »
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12462 on: December 01, 2020, 04:20:29 AM »
Another rare appearance by me on this thread. This CD was sent to me in error (instead of Sir Arthur Bliss's Oboe Quintet  ::)). Anyway, the company told me to keep it and I'm currently enjoying Symphony No.31. It certainly makes a nice change and my wife will not object to it:

And I just bought this one:
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« Reply #12463 on: December 01, 2020, 09:42:30 AM »
It certainly makes a nice change and my wife will not object to it:

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12464 on: December 01, 2020, 09:43:06 AM »
Another rare appearance by me on this thread. This CD was sent to me in error (instead of Sir Arthur Bliss's Oboe Quintet  ::)). Anyway, the company told me to keep it and I'm currently enjoying Symphony No.31. It certainly makes a nice change and my wife will not object to it:

And I just bought this one:

Sadly I can't see any pictures in your post (it's the same old problem, apparently my browser rather than yours), but I can certainly see anyone enjoying Symphony #31, the horn work alone is worth the price of admission!  :)

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12465 on: December 01, 2020, 09:55:28 AM »
" makes a nice change and my wife will not object to it "

...  I take it she is bombarded with ye olde Potemkin day 'n' night, mate?   :P
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12466 on: December 01, 2020, 11:03:57 AM »
Sadly I can't see any pictures in your post (it's the same old problem, apparently my browser rather than yours), but I can certainly see anyone enjoying Symphony #31, the horn work alone is worth the price of admission!  :)

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Here's one of them Gurn (the other one is in the same series).
Totally agree about Symphony No.31 which I've already played several times:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Haydn-Symphonies-Nos-Hornsignal-Farewell/dp/B000003CUK/ref=sr_1_3?crid=289ZFD070JLZ7&dchild=1&keywords=haydn+mackerras&qid=1606849318&s=music&sprefix=haydn+mackerras%2Caps%2C150&sr=1-3
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12467 on: December 01, 2020, 11:04:56 AM »
" makes a nice change and my wife will not object to it "

...  I take it she is bombarded with ye olde Potemkin day 'n' night, mate?   :P

Something like that - you have a good understanding.  ;D
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12468 on: December 01, 2020, 11:57:27 AM »
Here's one of them Gurn (the other one is in the same series).
Totally agree about Symphony No.31 which I've already played several times:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Haydn-Symphonies-Nos-Hornsignal-Farewell/dp/B000003CUK/ref=sr_1_3?crid=289ZFD070JLZ7&dchild=1&keywords=haydn+mackerras&qid=1606849318&s=music&sprefix=haydn+mackerras%2Caps%2C150&sr=1-3

Ah, I had one of those Orchestra of St. Luke's disks:



back in the days before I went straight HIP. It was my favorite among the modern instruments versions I had, and I am very fond of MacKerras in any case. Sweet!

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12469 on: December 01, 2020, 01:14:30 PM »
Ah, I had one of those Orchestra of St. Luke's disks:



back in the days before I went straight HIP. It was my favorite among the modern instruments versions I had, and I am very fond of MacKerras in any case. Sweet!

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That's the other one that I just ordered. Yes, Mackerras was a fine conductor and I particularly enjoyed his recordings of Walton's symphonies, Brian's 7th Symphony and Suk's 'Asrael Symphony'.
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12470 on: December 02, 2020, 08:25:06 AM »
The next volume of Antonini's cycle is due in January and features Symphonies 15, 35, 45, and "Scena di Berenice" with Sandrine Piau. Il Giardino Armonico.

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12471 on: December 02, 2020, 08:39:19 AM »
The next volume of Antonini's cycle is due in January and features Symphonies 15, 35, 45, and "Scena di Berenice" with Sandrine Piau. Il Giardino Armonico.

Nice. At the pace they are coming out, it will be a push to see the cycle by 2032... :-\

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12472 on: December 02, 2020, 09:13:58 AM »
Another rare appearance by me on this thread. This CD was sent to me in error (instead of Sir Arthur Bliss's Oboe Quintet  ::)). Anyway, the company told me to keep it and I'm currently enjoying Symphony No.31. It certainly makes a nice change and my wife will not object to it:

And I just bought this one:

It is a shame they didn't send you a mint copy of Symphonies No 80 & 81 from the same forces, there is one for sale on Amazon for £1201.53 (used copies start at £9.01).

I have just been listening to Mackerras in No 31 via Spotify. I have a gap in my Haydn symphonies from No 31 to No 51 - this may help to fill it though Amazon only have it as mp3 download.

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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12473 on: December 02, 2020, 11:27:46 AM »
It is a shame they didn't send you a mint copy of Symphonies No 80 & 81 from the same forces, there is one for sale on Amazon for £1201.53 (used copies start at £9.01).

I have just been listening to Mackerras in No 31 via Spotify. I have a gap in my Haydn symphonies from No 31 to No 51 - this may help to fill it though Amazon only have it as mp3 download.

No. 31 is my favourite of the few that I know, especially the opening movement. It was sent to me in error by Momox instead of Bliss's Oboe Quintet (also on Telarc). Pity I can't sell it for £1000 but I'm happy with the CD and ordered nos 101 and 104 by the same forces.
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Re: Haydn's Haus
« Reply #12474 on: December 04, 2020, 11:01:54 PM »
Vandermolen's mention of the Hornsignal Symphony prompted me to listen to it again, and also listen to those other three symphonies written within a few years of each other that also feature 4 horns.

In order of composition they are Symphonies 30, 31, 37 and 40, but in an amusing illustration of how stupid the traditional numbering is the traditional numbers are: 72, 13, 31 and 39 respectively.

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« Reply #12475 on: December 04, 2020, 11:49:29 PM »
I've probably asked this before, but... who's good for Symphonies 76-78 and 79-81?

I'm looking at Adam Fischer. I gather that the relevant box (70-81) is one of the better ones in his series because it was recorded later in the project.

I just find it baffling that these trios of symphonies are so underrepresented compared to the Paris and London sets, when they're the other 'public' symphonies that Haydn wrote once his relationship with the Esterhazys changed.

And then you have annoying situations like Dantone recording 78-81 to fill out a box set, meaning that 76-77 aren't available unless you plump for that entire box set, because they were only ever on an obscure BBC music magazine disc.

I know Goodman did 76-78, but I don't really want his harpsichord. And he didn't do 79-81 anyway.

So... any suggestions besides Fischer, or is Fischer a good option?

EDIT: I also know about Naxos single CDs (could get a few), and there's a Hungaroton one of 79-81 but I'm not sure how good it is.

SECOND EDIT: And it seems the Haydn 2032 projects has done 79-81, though not all in one volume.
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« Reply #12476 on: Today at 01:41:58 AM »
76-81 are among the best in the uneven Fischer cycle, I think. (This is from memory but I did compare most of Haydn's symphonies about 10 years ago around the anniversary, often even taking notes )

The Naxos is a mixed bag, I thought Müller-Brühl pretty good in 81 but mannered in 80 (he is overdoing the rests and rubato in the first movement, I think), I don't think I have heard the others (Ward does 77-79 and Müller-Brühl 74-76).

I rather liked Goodman in 76-78, I guess I found them good enough to keep despite the overprominent harpsichord.

I have not heard the Dantone but it is still findable as a twofer (if my Haydn shelves weren't as full, I'd be tempted...)



80 is the best covered discographically (there is even an ancient recording with Scherchen from the 1950s) and probably also the most interesting piece of these 2x3.
My overall favorite of 79-81 is maybe Orpheus CO on DG but it is spread over 3 discs, all usually oop (the best of which is 22/80/63, I think), their 77 is also good although the main fault of Orpheus (perfect playing but a bit faceless) might be a bit more evident here (and more so in the discmate 44). (Have not heard their 78 and they didn't get to 76)

But if you can find a partial box of Fischer's at a reasonable price, it is certainly a very good option.
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« Reply #12477 on: Today at 02:39:17 AM »
Thanks. I'd forgotten about the Orpheus ones but if they didn't do all 6 of the ones I want they won't be a priority.

I have definitely seen that copies of Fischer's mini-boxes are still around, so I'm hopeful I can find the 70-81 box. Of course getting a full set is always an option but I'd rather not. I'm pretty happy with the Hogwood set for numbers 1-75.
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« Reply #12478 on: Today at 03:10:30 AM »
I am not the greatest fan of Hogwood but he is very consistent, very complete with some alternative versions and at least in the older issues with very good comments and documentation (I have 4 of these 3-disc boxes with fat double jewelcases and booklets that take up way too much space).

I got Fischer complete on Brilliant when it was first issued as a complete box many years ago because it was so cheap and even after years of collecting I still had gaps for Haydn symphonies.
Fischer is inconsistent in several respects, recorded sound, playing quality and style of interpretation. Fischer got more and more HIP-influenced during the cycle, usually to the advantage of the music although the playing is a bit rough sometimes and he takes some liberties even most HIPists would not (like unmarked string soli in trios or so). But it usually does not feel mannered, in any case much better than his often rather faceless early recordings. As he did not progress strictly chronologically or numerically this has some "shocks" if one listens to the Brilliant issue that keeps the numerical order. E.g. 21 is a great recording while the early 22 is quite boring, 39 highly dramatic, as good as any of the period instrument recordings, 45 lukewarm. But I think the "70s" are all rather late recordings.
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« Reply #12479 on: Today at 03:15:04 AM »
Yes, the 70-81 recordings are all later on. About 1997-98, when he started in the late 1980s and ended around 2001.

I found a review that listed all the recording years because I was already aware that the series is widely considered to have got much better than it went. Apparently even by Fischer himself! He's reported to have commented he wished he could go back and redo the symphonies he recorded at the start.
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