Haydn's Haus

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Gurn Blanston

Thought you might like to listen to the remaining symphonies of 1765 also. Not a slouch in sight! Please have a look, we'll talk!

Symphonies 29 & 39

Thanks!
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Roberto

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on December 28, 2013, 06:23:50 AM
It was used in church music and chamber music where it fit perfectly in a blend with the others. If the AAM bassist is using one (and he should be) it will not sound the same as one of those big old upright basses that are more commonly used. I suspect this accounts for the difference in sound. :)
In this case I have very good ear.  8)

QuoteI'm not sure what causes the different sound.
I think the gut string sounds different too. (If they used it.)

Gurn Blanston

Quote from: Roberto on December 28, 2013, 08:25:07 AM
In this case I have very good ear.  8)
I think the gut string sounds different too. (If they used it.)

Yes, this is a question. I know that basses were the first instruments to get wound strings because gut couldn't take the tension, at least in the lower strings. I am not completely sure if the higher strings weren't already metal even in early times. Something else to research, since you have my curiosity aroused now. :)

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GuybrushThreepwood

Have been listening to all the Haydn recording the Vivarte Box I received for Christmas includes.

I have been surprises by Bruno Weil directing the Tafelmusik in symphonies 41, 42 and 43. Because of this I have been thinking acquiring his Box Set (7 CDs, sampling from symphony 41 to 90). Anyone has some opinions to share regarding the remaining 6 discs?

Thank you very much!!

Karl Henning

Thumb's up for that Bruno Weil box, love it.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Gurn Blanston

Quote from: GuybrushThreepwood on December 29, 2013, 04:03:28 PM
Have been listening to all the Haydn recording the Vivarte Box I received for Christmas includes.

I have been surprises by Bruno Weil directing the Tafelmusik in symphonies 41, 42 and 43. Because of this I have been thinking acquiring his Box Set (7 CDs, sampling from symphony 41 to 90). Anyone has some opinions to share regarding the remaining 6 discs?

Thank you very much!!
Quote from: karlhenning on December 29, 2013, 04:34:46 PM
Thumb's up for that Bruno Weil box, love it.

Have to agree with Karl on this one. I like the early symphonies the best, but even the Paris ones, which were played originally with a quite large orchestra, come off well. I think that Weil has a great grip on the tempos required here, no overly dramatic Romantic style rubato, for example. I am listening to #50 right now, and I would be hard pressed to name a version that surpasses it. :)

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Que

Quote from: GuybrushThreepwood on December 29, 2013, 04:03:28 PM
Have been listening to all the Haydn recording the Vivarte Box I received for Christmas includes.

I have been surprises by Bruno Weil directing the Tafelmusik in symphonies 41, 42 and 43. Because of this I have been thinking acquiring his Box Set (7 CDs, sampling from symphony 41 to 90). Anyone has some opinions to share regarding the remaining 6 discs?

Thank you very much!!

I love it.  :) Like Gurn said, his strong point is the rhythmic treatment, which is strong but feels completely natural.

Be sure to get his recording of the masses as well! :)

Q

Justin

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on December 27, 2013, 07:09:30 AM
When Nut first remarked on his disappointment with 30, I wondered if it had something to do with DRD...perhaps one of his lesser efforts? Unfortunately I couldn't find even short clips online to confirm or refute that suspicion. Ref Harnoncourt's Alleluja: I can't imagine anyone being disappointed with the symphony the way he tackles it  8)

Sarge

The allmusic site has clips of the Davies cycle. http://www.allmusic.com/album/joseph-haydn-the-complete-symphonies-mw0001878469

It helped tide me over/keep my interest until I snatched up my own copy.

Justin
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Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Justin on December 30, 2013, 06:31:22 AM
The allmusic site has clips of the Davies cycle. http://www.allmusic.com/album/joseph-haydn-the-complete-symphonies-mw0001878469

It helped tide me over/keep my interest until I snatched up my own copy.

Justin

Thank you! Much appreciated  8)

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
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GuybrushThreepwood

Great... Today I took the second CD of the box to the office and definitively I will have to acquire the set.

Thank you very much for encouraging me to buy the set. It's always nice to be pushed to buy new stuff xD.

Regards.

Gurn Blanston

Quote from: GuybrushThreepwood on December 30, 2013, 01:21:11 PM
Great... Today I took the second CD of the box to the office and definitively I will have to acquire the set.

Thank you very much for encouraging me to buy the set. It's always nice to be pushed to buy new stuff xD.

Regards.

Brilliant, Guy. I know you will enjoy it, some fine music making which once again raises the question asked so often with Haydn symphonies; why didn't they do more?   ???

And let me just add, we here in der Haus are always delighted to push you to buy new stuff, so this is a match made in Haydn Heaven. :D

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Karl Henning

The Allegro in the first movement of the DRD account of № 104 is unhurried. And I like it.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Gurn Blanston

Quote from: karlhenning on December 31, 2013, 08:38:51 AM
The Allegro in the first movement of the DRD account of № 104 is unhurried. And I like it.

Unhurried is good. Not too good, or I should say 'too unhurried', but one doesn't want it all coming out in a rush. :)

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Gurn Blanston

Added a new page to my blog, finally got around to updating the symphonies listing by a few more years. :)

Chronology 1767 - 74

New essay coming later on this afternoon also. Weather isn't cooperating for outdoors activities, might as well write. :)

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Karl Henning

Splendid!  Happy new year, O Gurn!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Gurn Blanston

Quote from: karlhenning on January 01, 2014, 09:47:28 AM
Splendid!  Happy new year, O Gurn!

And back at you, Karl. I wish winter was over, but I have a little box of new disks from our friends at BRO, so I have something on hand to keep amused. One of them is a Lola Odiaga disk of early sonatas. Hob. 5, 7, 8, 9, G1, D1, and the 2 "Raigern" sonatas, Eb2 & Eb3. Despite that she plays a fortepiano instead of a harpsichord, she is a quite stylish player so I expect to enjoy these. Also got some string quartets by the Fitzwilliams on PI, Op 1 #6, Op 71 #2 and Op 77 #2. Don't know these guys, hoping for the best. :)

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Karl Henning

I've been taking advantage of a couple days at home to listen to more of both the DRD & Hogwood boxes. Different takes, but each is smashing in its way.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Gurn Blanston

Quote from: karlhenning on January 01, 2014, 10:53:24 AM
I've been taking advantage of a couple days at home to listen to more of both the DRD & Hogwood boxes. Different takes, but each is smashing in its way.

Yes, I'm supposing that is the benefit of having versions. In fact, I'm listening to some Pinnock now; I had forgotten what a nice way they have with the works in the 40's. :)

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Gurn Blanston

As promised, the next of the series. I hope you will read this one and come back and discuss with me. I am looking for ideas, and you will see why once you've read this.

The first baryton trios

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Justin

What fortunate timing for me! I just received my Brilliant Haydn Edition box days ago, after pining for it for months years. The baryton works are among the pieces I most look forward to exploring.
Justin