Haydn's Haus

[hornteacher]

Of that 120, about 40 were clarinets. Of those 40, only two could actually play with an ingratiating tone    God, did our band squawk!

I think you just described my version of the ninth circle of hell. 

[Sergeant Rock]

I think you just described my version of the ninth circle of hell. 

Sonically, it was hell...but almost everyone of those clarinet players were girls, so there was a glimpse of heaven too 

Sarge

[hornteacher]

Sonically, it was hell...but almost everyone of those clarinet players were girls, so there was a glimpse of heaven too 

Sarge

I'm with you.  I actually married a cute clarinet player. 

[Gabriel]

Dave, I don't have any of that one, but the Haydn list that I'm on reviewed them pretty thoroughly and pretty much came up "too uneven to count on". Some of it is really good and, well....   I didn't need it at any rate; hell, I don't even need any more PI symphonies!!  So I gave it a miss. Don't know if that helps you or just makes it more confusing. I'll just say that if I didn't have any at all, I would buy Fischer right now.

I bought the set, but as I left it in Chile, I haven't listened to all its CDs. Nonetheless, I sampled some symphonies belonging to different periods. The sound is clear, the performances are correct in general, but it lacks vitality. I sometimes thought that a kind of analytic examination of the score was taking place, instead of "playing music". My conclusion is that I wouldn't suggest the Dennis Russell Davies set to anyone approaching the symphonies for the first time, while for somebody who knows them and would like to explore them from another perspective it can be a legitimate choice.

In fact, anyone who knows that Thomas Fey's approach to the symphonies is my favourite will understand why the Dennis Russell Davies recordings are far from being my ideal Haydn!

[DarkAngel]

Another nice little 2CD set for $8 at Amazon USA, these are from early 1990s Norrington with London Classical Players, good but nothing to make you very excited either.....just more stuff for the collector

I can say the same for Norringtons late Mozart symphonies of the same period.....

[Gurn Blanston]

Another nice little 2CD set for $8 at Amazon USA, these are from early 1990s Norrington with London Classical Players, good but nothing to make you very excited either.....just more stuff for the collector

I can say the same for Norringtons late Mozart symphonies of the same period.....

Interesting. Although your reaction to Norrington in general matches mine, I think. I might pick up the Haydn, probably not the Mozart. Curiosity and all that, you know?



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[DavidW]

Has Jacobs taken care of the Londons? Because that would be something to buy!

[Gurn Blanston]

Has Jacobs taken care of the Londons? Because that would be something to buy!

AFAIK, no. I agree, that would be interesting and worth pursuing. Jacobs is never boring.



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[DarkAngel]

Has Jacobs taken care of the Londons? Because that would be something to buy!

Nothing I have seen............Rene Jacobs much more active in opera/vocal conducting with only a trickle of symphonic works.

We are waiting for his Mozart "magic flute" opera to complete his excellent recent Harmonia Mundi cycle

I will be a buyer of the Minkowski London set when it eventually shows up at Amazon USA........

[Gurn Blanston]

Nothing I have seen............Rene Jacobs much more active in opera/vocal conducting with only a trickle of symphonic works.

We are waiting for his Mozart "magic flute" opera to complete his excellent recent Harmonia Mundi cycle

I will be a buyer of the Minkowski London set when it eventually shows up at Amazon USA........

He has this;



which I really like. Including the 'Scena a Berenice' and the Creation & Seasons. Not much else, although there IS some Freiburg Baroque Haydn that is good, without him.

Not to be naughty (  ) , but I have Minkowski already, courtesy of a friend in Switzerland. It is very nice, you will be pleased with it. I really like his wind treatment in 100 & 103, and the timpani throughout.



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[DavidW]

How does Minkowski compare with Kuijken (did I ask this before?)?

[DarkAngel]

He has this;



which I really like. Including the 'Scena a Berenice' and the Creation & Seasons. Not much else, although there IS some Freiburg Baroque Haydn that is good, without him.

Not to be naughty (  ) , but I have Minkowski already, courtesy of a friend in Switzerland. It is very nice, you will be pleased with it. I really like his wind treatment in 100 & 103, and the timpani throughout.



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Minkowski will be mine........
The sound samples at JPC sound great, I have resisted just buying from JPC even though the drop in euro value makes it tempting for me in USA. 

[SonicMan46]

Nothing I have seen............Rene Jacobs much more active in opera/vocal conducting with only a trickle of symphonic works.

We are waiting for his Mozart "magic flute" opera to complete his excellent recent Harmonia Mundi cycle

I will be a buyer of the Minkowski London set when it eventually shows up at Amazon USA........

Guys - I'm looking for a PI London Symphonies - have Minkowski on my list - own Kuijken in the earlier symphonies but have not seen an available (or a good priced) offering of his in these latter works - Dave 

[Gurn Blanston]

How does Minkowski compare with Kuijken (did I ask this before?)?

Well, you know I am talentless when it comes to in-depth reviews, so I'll leave it to someone else. I will say that Minkowski's orchestra sounds larger (probably IS larger) and in the London's, unlike in the balance of the symphonic oeuvre, that is not such a bad thing. Given that in both cases the playing is excellent, I will say that Kuijken plays it straight (I admire that and enjoy it, since 'straight' Haydn is superior to most other composers anyway     ). Minkowski adds a variety of little things that are clearly part of his vision. And generally they work nicely, although now and then you're like "huh? WTF did they just do there?".   The 2 sets complement each other very nicely. I am delighted to have them both.   0:)



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[Gurn Blanston]

Guys - I'm looking for a PI London Symphonies - have Minkowski on my list - own Kuijken in the earlier symphonies but have not seen an available (or a good priced) offering of his in these latter works - Dave 

Dave, there are 2 choices for the Kuijken; get the box set made in Japan (but sold at Amazon). The last I saw it was under $50, not bad for 4 disks (they squeezed 5 into 4). Or, do what I did and get the DHM disks 'used' in the Marketplace. This is more difficult but still do-able. Today I recommend the first choice because the price is right and you get them all. It is a long, arduous process to get all 5 disks in excellent condition, and I ended up paying about the same. 3 were less than $10 each, but the other 2 were close to $25 each, so I could have had the Japanese set. I wouldn't have been as smugly pleased with myself though, and what's THAT worth?



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[DarkAngel]

Guys - I'm looking for a PI London Symphonies - have Minkowski on my list - own Kuijken in the earlier symphonies but have not seen an available (or a good priced) offering of his in these latter works - Dave 

The most desireable HIP/PI London sets would be Kuijken and Bruggen......both very expensive now to get

Bruno Weil is recording a London set now to complement his other Haydn symphonies
Minkowski will be available at Amazon USA  June 29.......

This is Haydn holy grail Bruggen boxset if you can find it for good price...........(let me know!)

[Gurn Blanston]

The most desireable HIP/PI London sets would be Kuijken and Bruggen......both very expensive now to get

Bruno Weil is recording a London set now to complement his other Haydn symphonies
Minkowski will be available at Amazon USA  June 29.......

Holy crap! That price has gone up since last November! 



I see it is $75, was $45. I know, $30 isn't a lot, but it's like a 67% increase (OK, I don't do math, you figure it out   ). Still, worth it though....



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[DavidW]

Minkowski will be available at Amazon USA  June 29.......

I don't know about sonic dave, but I can wait for that, it sounds like it's worth buying.  But I'll have to track down some youtube samples (I like whole movements).

[SonicMan46]

The most desireable HIP/PI London sets would be Kuijken and Bruggen......both very expensive now to get

Bruno Weil is recording a London set now to complement his other Haydn symphonies
Minkowski will be available at Amazon USA  June 29.......

Gurn & DA - thanks for your prompt responses - I've seen the Kurijken offerings and did not like the pricing - no hurry for me, so might just wait a month or so to see what appears; the Minkowski is of interest when available - Dave 

[kishnevi]

He has this;



which I really like. Including the 'Scena a Berenice' and the Creation & Seasons. Not much else, although there IS some Freiburg Baroque Haydn that is good, without him.

Not to be naughty (  ) , but I have Minkowski already, courtesy of a friend in Switzerland. It is very nice, you will be pleased with it. I really like his wind treatment in 100 & 103, and the timpani throughout.



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That Jacobs recording was re-issued (or at least repackaged) by HM as part of their Haydn celebration,  with the Seasons and the first release of Jacob's Creation.  The liner notes were newly written for 2009.
The Freiburgers appear on several of these issues/new issues, including cello concertos with Queyras, keyboard concertos with Staier, and two recordings of some of the earlier symphonies (and the Violin Concerto 1 on one of them)