Haydn's Haus

[DarkAngel]

Last couple weeks I have revisited my Dorati complete Haydn symphony set, these are the very original releases in 4CD blue plastic chubby jewel cases........I originally bought these 20 years ago.

Amazing how good they sound even before any of the HIP movement Dorati had gotten to the heart of these works, 1970s analog sound is as good as any modern recording, one of the best purchases I have ever made in classical music, a true classic.

Only regret is that cheap cardboard boxset today costs only a fraction of what I paid 20 years ago 

[DarkAngel]

HIP hybrid?

Reflects Minkowski's current approach to using elements of historical informed performance in his current music style......typical stuff: smaller orchestra, fleet lifted tempos, clarified textures. Hybrid because it is an evolving journey that will change over time with experience and exposure to different groups etc. Each conductor takes elements they like and mix it with thier previous style to come up with ever evolving new sounds

[jlaurson]

Reflects Minkowski's current approach to using elements of historical informed performance in his current music style......typical stuff: smaller orchestra, fleet lifted tempos, clarified textures. Hybrid because it is an evolving journey that will change over time with experience and exposure to different groups etc. Each conductor takes elements they like and mix it with thier previous style to come up with ever evolving new sounds

I think his question was: What makes this less than HIP, seeing how it is an original instrument group...

[Opus106]

I think his question was: What makes this less than HIP, seeing how it is an original instrument group...

Quite. HIP, though it attempts to recreate the music of a period, will always be an interpretation of the person(s) in charge and of course will change as and when they acquire new knowledge and new inspiration (for good or bad).

[Gurn Blanston]

The term "HIP hybrid"  ( ) is already taken and it means quite something else (playing with HIP elements but on modern instruments, ala Zurich Tonhalle Orchestra). As Jens points out, they already use P.I., which is 180° out from the hybridistas.

What you are talking about, IMO, is simply an indication that this performance cult isn't standing still, but moving forward with new ideas. I have had the Minkowski for a couple of months now and am very pleased with it. Unfortunately, it is my first disk(s) by them and I don't know how they have evolved stylistically. I certainly hope they have, since static in performance and concept is the death of a performance group.

[DarkAngel]

This just recently arrived, 4 CD set in cardboard clamshell with nice booklet. Live performances with no trace of crowd noise intrusion.

I maybe imagining things........
but CDs 3,4 symphonies 99-104 seem more energized and vibrant compared to 1,2 from same set.
Booklet gives no exact recording date for each symphony (June 2009) so I don't know over what time span complete set was recorded........but Minkowski seems to have eaten his wheaties cereal before recording later symphonies pushing them closer to what I would consider a reference recording

[Gurn Blanston]

I maybe imagining things........
but CDs 3,4 seem more energized and vibrant compared to 1,2 from same set.
Booklet gives no exact recording date for each symphony (June 2009) so I don't know over what time span complete set was recorded........but Minkowski seems to have eaten his wheaties cereal before recording later symphonies pushing them closer to what I would consider a reference recording

Well, I don't know if I could divide them up by early and late like that, but I thought 100 & 102 were outstanding. They both ended up getting a lot of extra play on my MP3 player while the rest didn't make the trip over...



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Now playing:
Ronald Brautigam - Op 081a Sonata #26 in Eb for Fortepiano 1st mvmt - Das Lebewohl: Adagio - Allegro

[Peregrine]

Been meaning to try the above recording for a while, but happy with my Op.76's at the moment and feel no pressing need. Have the Panocha, Tatrai and Budapest for complete sets and a few other odds and sods.

Recent Haydn SQ listening has been Caspar Da Solo SQ in Op.64 (real bargain this set, cheap as the proverbial chips and beautifully played), Amati SQ in Op.50 and Fine Arts SQ in Op.74, as well as the Pro Arte recordings on Testament.

[Gurn Blanston]

Been meaning to try the above recording for a while, but happy with my Op.76's at the moment and feel no pressing need. Have the Panocha, Tatrai and Budapest for complete sets and a few other odds and sods.

Recent Haydn SQ listening has been Caspar Da Solo SQ in Op.64 (real bargain this set, cheap as the proverbial chips and beautifully played), Amati SQ in Op.50 and Fine Arts SQ in Op.74, as well as the Pro Arte recordings on Testament.

Peregrine,
I know you're happy, but if you have the chance to acquire that disk and its companion, don't pass them by, since they are rarely available. Not that MY experience should color your listening adventures, but back in the mid-1990's, I was roaming through an actual music shop and talking with the proprietor and he had those 2 disks on display. He asked me if I had them yet and I sheepishly admitted that I didn't have, nor had I ever heard, a single Haydn quartet!   He virtually made me buy them and I have never looked back, chamber music became my favorite listening and Haydn my favorite composer. Well it had to start somewhere... but even since then, I haven't gotten (of 8-10 versions) a set that I like better (or even as much). Even discounting the 'blush of first love' effect, that's pretty good.

[Peregrine]

Peregrine,
I know you're happy, but if you have the chance to acquire that disk and its companion, don't pass them by, since they are rarely available. Not that MY experience should color your listening adventures, but back in the mid-1990's, I was roaming through an actual music shop and talking with the proprietor and he had those 2 disks on display. He asked me if I had them yet and I sheepishly admitted that I didn't have, nor had I ever heard, a single Haydn quartet!   He virtually made me buy them and I have never looked back, chamber music became my favorite listening and Haydn my favorite composer. Well it had to start somewhere... but even since then, I haven't gotten (of 8-10 versions) a set that I like better (or even as much). Even discounting the 'blush of first love' effect, that's pretty good.

Gosh, what a glowing recommendation! I think I shall have to seek some relatively cheapish copies out - they are usually available from Japan quite easily IIRC. I actually have the Szymanowski/Webern dsic by the same quartet, but haven't listened to it yet, although am aware it's quite highly thought of.

Yes, roaming through an actual music store, now there's something I miss!

Cheers

[George]

Yes, roaming through an actual music store, now there's something I miss!

Cheers

Indeed. Especially the great used ones. 

[Gurn Blanston]

Gosh, what a glowing recommendation! I think I shall have to seek some relatively cheapish copies out - they are usually available from Japan quite easily IIRC. I actually have the Szymanowski/Webern dsic by the same quartet, but haven't listened to it yet, although am aware it's quite highly thought of.

Yes, roaming through an actual music store, now there's something I miss!

Cheers

Somehow I was thinking from your first post that you had access to them somewhere (a good used store perhaps). I loaned mine to my father a couple years ago, and I thought I would let him keep them and I would pick up another set. Wrong. In fact when I go back to visit this year, I might slip a set by someone else (the Tokyo's would be a good choice) and rescue the Carmina's.

Yes, a real music store. Can you imagine?  And what about the youngsters who follow us? Will they be, like "Amazon is a real music store, what more could you want?".   

Cheers,

[George]

Yes, a real music store. Can you imagine?  And what about the youngsters who follow us? Will they be, like "Amazon is a real music store, what more could you want?".   

Cheers,

How about lower prices, the possibility of actual human interaction, the thrill of the hunt, hearing/discovering music never heard before, the stories passed on between the customers and the staff, no delivery charge, the opportunity to support your local community and the chance to buy rare stuff that the owner doesn't know is rare and therefore prices it at $2.99? 

[Mandryka]

The Carmina quartet reading is very good, and easily obtainable here:

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=COCO-70790

[Gurn Blanston]

How about lower prices, the possibility of actual human interaction, the thrill of the hunt, hearing/discovering music never heard before, the stories passed on between the customers and the staff, no delivery charge, the opportunity to support your local community and the chance to buy rare stuff that the owner doesn't know is rare and therefore prices it at $2.99? 

  You're getting old George, those are the sorts of fantasies that all of us old guys get on a Saturday morning; we should be getting ready to drive down to Bailey's Music right now! 

[George]

  You're getting old George, those are the sorts of fantasies that all of us old guys get on a Saturday morning; we should be getting ready to drive down to Bailey's Music right now! 

Not familiar with Bailey's, is that a local used shop?

I plan to go to PREX, http://www.prex.com/, soon. Maybe tomorrow. 

From their site - Browse 140,000 new & used music CDs, DVDs, and LPs.   0:)

[Gurn Blanston]

Not familiar with Bailey's, is that a local used shop?

I plan to go to PREX, http://www.prex.com/, soon. Maybe tomorrow. 

From their site - Browse 140,000 new & used music CDs, DVDs, and LPs.   0:)

It was a local music shop where I was born and raised. It was over 100 years old when it closed (started out selling sheet music and pianos before phonographs. I bought my first horn there too!).

That looks like a great place to go. I really must get to the City next time I'm up north. I had been thinking about Academy, but it looks like it has company.

[Antoine Marchand]

It was a local music shop where I was born and raised. It was over 100 years old when it closed (started out selling sheet music and pianos before phonographs. I bought my first horn there too!).

... at first I did read "before pornographs". Probably the evil influence of "Teresa's Porno Thread". 

[George]

It was a local music shop where I was born and raised. It was over 100 years old when it closed (started out selling sheet music and pianos before phonographs. I bought my first horn there too!).

That looks like a great place to go. I really must get to the City next time I'm up north. I had been thinking about Academy, but it looks like it has company.

Academy sells much of their good stuff (the rare and OOP) on eBay, so PREX is the B&M place to be IMO.

[Antoine Marchand]

Haydn - Arianna a Naxos, Lieder & Canzonettas
Stéphanie d'Oustrac, mezzo-soprano
Aline Zylberajch, pianoforte (no specific indications about the instrument)
Recorded at the Espace culturel C.J. Bonnet, Chappel of Jujurieux (01), France - 11th-14th November, 2009
Ambronay Editions

I bought this CD attracted by the name of Aline Zylberajch, an excellent fortepianist that I have enjoyed in Mozart and, particularly, playing some Scarlatti sonatas. However, this Haydn has been rather a disappointment, basically considering the vocal part: Stéphanie d'Oustrac performs these lieder and canzonettas in a great operatic style, full of outbursts, and losing any trace of "domestic" intimacy and tenderness... 

Of course, as usual, this French recording has won every imaginable prize of the French press.