Haydn's Haus

[kishnevi]

Found this on sale at MDT, and I'll blame Gurn since he was the one who first mentioned it.


(ordered with some other stuff including the new Hyperion Gothic)

[chasmaniac]

...the new Hyperion Gothic...

Ooh, my Spideysense is tingling. What is this "new Hyperion Gothic" of which you speak?

[Gurn Blanston]

Found this on sale at MDT, and I'll blame Gurn since he was the one who first mentioned it.


(ordered with some other stuff including the new Hyperion Gothic)

I'll take the hit on that, I have broad shoulders.   Hope you like it as much as I do, Jeffrey. Some very nice stuff on there that you probably won't hear anywhere else.

[kishnevi]

Ooh, my Spideysense is tingling. What is this "new Hyperion Gothic" of which you speak?

Sorry, I thought that recording was common knowledge in GMG.

Havergal Brian, Symphony No. 1 ("Gothic")--a live recording of the Proms performance this summer, which Hyperion is releasing on 11/28 in the UK and on 12/13 in the US.

For proper effusiveness, consult the Havergal Brian thread.

[chasmaniac]

Sorry, I thought that recording was common knowledge in GMG.

Havergal Brian, Symphony No. 1 ("Gothic")--a live recording of the Proms performance this summer, which Hyperion is releasing on 11/28 in the UK and on 12/13 in the US.

For proper effusiveness, consult the Havergal Brian thread.

Oh. I thought it might be Ciconia or Landini or...

Never mind. 

[chasmaniac]

The Mosaiques recording of opus 77 counts opus 103 as the unfinished 77/#3. What's up with that? Is it? Note I haven't bothered to read the booklet yet. I've been busy with a banana.

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[Gurn Blanston]

The Mosaiques recording of opus 77 counts opus 103 as the unfinished 77/#3. What's up with that? Is it? Note I haven't bothered to read the booklet yet. I've been busy with a banana.

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It was intended to be. He worked on it for 3 years, trying to follow up on the first 2 completed quartets, but finally gave up with 2 movements (the inner ones) complete and a few sketches for the rest. It probably wouldn't have been called "Op 77#3" after that amount of time, since that boat had already sailed. But if he had completed it in his usual 3-4 months, then it surely would have been.

[chasmaniac]

It was intended to be. He worked on it for 3 years, trying to follow up on the first 2 completed quartets, but finally gave up with 2 movements (the inner ones) complete and a few sketches for the rest. It probably wouldn't have been called "Op 77#3" after that amount of time, since that boat had already sailed. But if he had completed it in his usual 3-4 months, then it surely would have been.

That makes sense, thanks.

Now, how do I stop "Deutschland uber alles" from ringing my ears every time I slap the old Emperor 4 on the victrola?

[Gurn Blanston]

That makes sense, thanks.

Now, how do I stop "Deutschland uber alles" from ringing my ears every time I slap the old Emperor 4 on the victrola?

I was fortunate in that I hadn't ever heard that song before I heard the Haydn. I don't know the answer for you, other than I concentrate on the Op 76#3 2nd mvmt version instead. I can hear it even now. 0:)

[max]

Now, how do I stop "Deutschland uber alles" from ringing my ears every time I slap the old Emperor 4 on the victrola?

...as a glorious song without words. In short, take it as written.

[Bogey]

Went down the #95 road after the discussion here with this one:



Full bodied....like a deep Napa cab wine.  I noted the cello(?) solo in the 3rd, and enjoyed.  Funny, the notes refer to Wolfie's Jupiter and I thought the same about the final movement prior to reading the notes.  And if I made the connection, it just ain't that hard to make.  Which of these pieces came first?  The notes elude to the fact that the Jupiter had not been published yet, but Haydn could have examined the manuscript.

In short, for me the third and fourth work.  The first and the second seem out of place and maybe in the future I will find charm in that. 

[Karl Henning]

I was fortunate in that I hadn't ever heard that song before I heard the Haydn.

Not greatly dissimilar, I had heard it only on occasion as that tune came up in the hymnal now and again through the coursre of the church year.

[Gurn Blanston]

Went down the #95 road after the discussion here with this one:



Full bodied....like a deep Napa cab wine.  I noted the cello(?) solo in the 3rd, and enjoyed.  Funny, the notes refer to Wolfie's Jupiter and I thought the same about the final movement prior to reading the notes.  And if I made the connection, it just ain't that hard to make.  Which of these pieces came first?  The notes elude to the fact that the Jupiter had not been published yet, but Haydn could have examined the manuscript.

In short, for me the third and fourth work.  The first and the second seem out of place and maybe in the future I will find charm in that.

Oh, no doubt that the Mozart came first, it was from summer 1788. Haydn used to visit him all the time in Vienna, and Mozart would play things for him on the piano (like arias from Così fan tutte that he used to sing and accompany himself) and that nearly certainly included the 3 symphonies. So you can take it as given that he knew them (like Mozart, he rarely ever forgot a theme once he heard it). The #95 dates from 1791, by comparison.

[Bogey]

Oh, no doubt that the Mozart came first, it was from summer 1788. Haydn used to visit him all the time in Vienna, and Mozart would play things for him on the piano (like arias from Così fan tutte that he used to sing and accompany himself) and that nearly certainly included the 3 symphonies. So you can take it as given that he knew them (like Mozart, he rarely ever forgot a theme once he heard it). The #95 dates from 1791, by comparison.

Without digging into dates on my own, could Mozart have seen the music for (or heard) the symphony.....

[chasmaniac]

...as a glorious song without words. In short, take it as written.

I do try, but - damn, here it comes - God save Frank the Caesar! Grrr.

[Gurn Blanston]

Without digging into dates on my own, could Mozart have seen the music for (or heard) the symphony.....

No, it was written in London in summer 1791 when he had already been in London for several months. Mozart was working on La Clemenza di Tito for Prague at that time, and then Die Zauberflöte and The Requiem. Then he famously died, of course.... there is no doubt that Haydn took the ideas from Mozart.

[Bogey]

No, it was written in London in summer 1791 when he had already been in London for several months. Mozart was working on La Clemenza di Tito for Prague at that time, and then Die Zauberflöte and The Requiem. Then he famously died, of course.... there is no doubt that Haydn took the ideas from Mozart.

Well, you are not being very helpful with me trying to create a conspiracy theory here by stating facts.

Something like:
Haydn sees the original  manuscript to Jupitar and wants to borrow the only copy.
Wolfie tells him to take a hike, that he is all washed up, and was using him all along to further his musical career.
Haydn, being a member of the Salieri mafia plots to murder Wolfie with a pay off of a hitman, have him retrieve the script, and .....

[Gurn Blanston]

Well, you are not being very helpful with me trying to create a conspiracy theory here by stating facts.

Something like:
Haydn sees the original  manuscript to Jupitar and wants to borrow the only copy.
Wolfie tells him to take a hike, that he is all washed up, and was using him all along to further his musical career.
Haydn, being a member of the Salieri mafia plots to murder Wolfie with a pay off of a hitman, have him retrieve the script, and .....

Ooh, I like it! You should get Mn Dave to collaborate; he can dream up almost anything.  



Be careful though, 'cause my friend Dan Leeson will hire a hitman to murder you for stealing his plot...

[Opus106]

Here's a new book for you conspiracy nuts!

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[Bogey]

Pretty much all you need to know:

....Mozart's Last Aria is a magnificent historical mystery that pulls back the curtain on a world of soaring music, burning passion, and powerful secrets.