Haydn's Haus

[TheGSMoeller]

Nice review; sounds like you had a good time with both pieces. 88 is sure a good'un, and reading that also reminds me of the virtue of the key of G major as it pertains to Haydn. 4 of my most favored late symphonies, 88, 92, 94 & 100 are all in G major. Coincidence? Maybe, or possibly the means of expression or the inspiration that G major gives Haydn speaks to me personally more than some others.  

I do a mental ten most listened to Haydn symphonies every once in awhile, and almost always a good portion of them are in a Minor key (26, 39, 44, 52, 80), or will feature several of his D Major ones (6, 53, 73, 86, 101), so yes, Gurn, I think that although we can appreciate all of his symphonies, we are as individuals most certainly drawn to a particular style or sound.

[Gurn Blanston]

I do a mental ten most listened to Haydn symphonies every once in awhile, and almost always a good portion of them are in a Minor key (26, 39, 44, 52, 80), or will feature several of his D Major ones (6, 53, 73, 86, 101), so yes, Gurn, I think that although we can appreciate all of his symphonies, we are as individuals most certainly drawn to a particular style or sound.

Yes, the minor keys (doesn't matter which key, just the mode) are certainly attractive to the ear. And the D major use that key because it is gracious to the instruments (natural winds, in the day, and the open strings on violins sound their best too. There was a whole genre, with every composer in Vienna for 50 years or more contributing, called now "Viennese C major" because they shared things like a great maestoso and grandeur. Mozart's "Jupiter" is an example. And Haydn's #38 and 41.

Some will argue that the attraction comes from the composer's inspiration, others that it comes from the listener's particular ear. I don't know, but I think it is interesting anyway. I wonder if others than us have a similar experience?

[TheGSMoeller]

Wikipedia - D Major

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D_major

[Gurn Blanston]

Wikipedia - D Major

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D_major

Nice article. Guess it would be interesting to see what they have to say about C and G...

[Leon]

I have been enjoying this recording very much lately, which despite using MI it conveys Haydn very nicely, IMO -

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[Gurn Blanston]

There was na old Hungaroton LP with Janos Liebner playing nos 53, 73, 94, 97, 109 but I don't know if it was ever released as CD. Probably not.

Here is a review of it (january1972!):

http://www.gramophone.net/Issue/Page/January%201972/74/738842/HAYDN.+Trios+for+baryton,+viola+and+cello.+Jinos+Liebner+(baryton),+Gsibor+Fias+(viola),+Laszlio+Mezii+(cello).+Hungaroton+SLPX11478+(L1.63)

Here is the cover:

http://www.platte11.de/article/joseph-haydn-barytontrios

And here you can listen to samples of it:

http://www.hungarotonmusic.com/classical/trios-for-barytone-p4124.html

Ah, thanks for that. I don't see it anywhere as a CD. I bet it was the first effort to play these works on actual instruments. Although maybe not. I see that Munich Trio disk that I got, the baryton is listed to have been made in 1934, which fairly amazed me!

[mszczuj]

I see that Munich Trio disk that I got, the baryton is listed to have been made in 1934, which fairly amazed me!

Here are some informations about this instrument:

http://www.orpheon.org/OldSite/Seiten/Instruments/other/baryton.htm

[Karl Henning]

The correct name for this instrument is actually "Viola di Pardone."

[Florestan]

Nice article. Guess it would be interesting to see what they have to say about C and G...

C major... my favorite composition in this key is Schubert's String Quintet. 

[TheGSMoeller]

Gurn, you mentioned #92 being one of your favorites, have you heard...




...an exciting performance, rocket-fast finale.

[Gurn Blanston]

Here are some informations about this instrument:

http://www.orpheon.org/OldSite/Seiten/Instruments/other/baryton.htm

That was a fascinating page, thanks! Maybe Sonic Dave will get over to see it too, I know he would be fascinated.

[Gurn Blanston]

Gurn, you mentioned #92 being one of your favorites, have you heard...




...an exciting performance, rocket-fast finale.

Oh yes, that's a fine disk. I bought it for the rarely recorded Scena de Berenice, so the symphonies were a bonus. And a fine bonus at that.

Mine is this one:

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[Karl Henning]

C major... my favorite composition in this key is Schubert's String Quintet. 

I find it hard to choose from among the Chopin Prelude Op. 28 № 1, the Tchaikovsky Serenade for strings . . . and the « Leningrad » Symphony : )

[Sergeant Rock]

I find it hard to choose from among the Chopin Prelude Op. 28 № 1, the Tchaikovsky Serenade for strings . . . and the « Leningrad » Symphony : )

My favorites would be Brian 7, Schmidt 4, Haydn Bear, Mozart PC21, Beethoven Waldstein, Sibelius 3

Sarge

[TheGSMoeller]

With Haydn, the C Major would be a tie between his Maria Theresia or #50.

Another, one of my favorite concertos, Vivaldi's Mandolin Concerto in C, RV425... also, Prokofiev's 4th symphony, both versions.

[Opus106]

Brian 7

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[Sergeant Rock]

Infiltration alert! Infiltration alert! Infiltration alert! Infiltration alert! Infiltration alert! Infiltration alert! Infiltration alert!

Yes, we Brianites are like the Red Menace 

Sarge

[Leon]

I have been enjoying this recording very much lately, which despite using MI it conveys Haydn very nicely, IMO -

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After reading a bit more about this recording, what I had assumed was a entirely modern instrument recording, an assumption which is not exactly accurate: the orchestra is tuned down to HIP specifications, and the horns are PI and (from what I can determine) the strings are as well, i.e. using period bows, gut strings and techniques.  However, Pletnev is plyaing a modern piano and incorporating his own cadenzas in most pieces, in which he displays decidedly non-period elements. 

This is not a problem for me, although one reviewer complained about it; since I do not rate a performance or recording based on the cadenza.  Rather, what comes across in these performances is an approach that fits comfortably within the HIP camp, but with a solo instrumentalist who, while simpatico with the performance practices of the 18th C., is playing an instrument with a modern sound palette. 

I like it; but can understand why others may prefer something else and may find this recording neither here nor there.

[Gurn Blanston]

After reading a bit more about this recording, what I had assumed was a entirely modern instrument recording, an assumption which is not exactly accurate: the orchestra is tuned down to HIP specifications, and the horns are PI and (from what I can determine) the strings are as well, i.e. using period bows, gut strings and techniques.  However, Pletnev is plyaing a modern piano and incorporating his own cadenzas in most pieces, in which he displays decidedly non-period elements. 

This is not a problem for me, although one reviewer complained about it; since I do not rate a performance or recording based on the cadenza.  Rather, what comes across in these performances is an approach that fits comfortably within the HIP camp, but with a solo instrumentalist who, while simpatico with the performance practices of the 18th C., is playing an instrument with a modern sound palette. 

I like it; but can understand why others may prefer something else and may find this recording neither here nor there.

Thanks for the full-disclosure background on that, Arnold. I have seen that disk around, but even though I like PLetnev, I don't visualize him as a Haydnist, so I veered off. I suspect that I would be one of those in your last sentence.

[Florestan]

I absolutely fell in love with this movement. It's on repeat, again and again. 

http://www.youtube.com/v/YvLeuLrdhog&feature=plcp&context=C3ac4388UDOEgsToPDskJQxWjDnQelj3eig_8649lf