Haydn's Haus

[Gurn Blanston]

Getting a bit closer to having all of the Masses that have been recorded using period instruments. I got these 3 in today's mail. In both cases they represent what appears to be the complete efforts of each of these 2 bands in the Mass arena;


Academy of Ancient Music (- Hogwood!)

and



Pinnock and Company.

I haven't listened to them yet (they only arrived ~3 hours ago!) but I did have questions for the Haus. 

Taken along with these, are these the only PI Haydn Masses you are aware of?



Anyway, this is essentially what I have now, and would be interested to expand it if other possibilities come along. 

[Que]

You didn't mention these?

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[Gurn Blanston]

You didn't mention these?

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No, indeed not. And now that I'm aware of their existence, they shall be mine. Therein lies the value of asking questions! Thanks, amigo!

[DavidRoss]

I like the Mosaiques take on Op 76, but my favorites are these (sorry, David, yet another hard-to-find-but-worth-the-effort disk);

And what a bargain...it hasn't even reached $100 on the used record market yet!

[Gurn Blanston]

And what a bargain...it hasn't even reached $100 on the used record market yet!

Yeah, I know. The whole situation in the record business really sucks. I hunted for a couple of years for that, and then it came up on eBay once for $75. I wrote to the seller and told him that if he wanted to sell  it right this minute I would offer him $35 and he took it. The fact that it had been up twice before already convinced him that he wanted too much for it. So I did well. But you know, just because someone is asking that much, doesn't mean they are getting that much. I wrote to a seller earlier this week about a biography of Haydn by David Wyn-Jones. It had been offered for the ludicrous price of $95 for over a year, and then a new seller came along who had 11 copies and asked $53. I still felt it was too much, and after 3 or 4 months (still had the 11 copies) I wrote this week and asked if he would sell me one for less than that. He replied "$39.98" and I bought it on the spot.  The other 10 copies are still available for that price. No need to thank me.

In summary, I have done this dozens of times, and I will estimate that I have been successful  90% of the time. Just sayin'. 



PS - Don't'cha love the picture on the front of that disk? 

[Karl Henning]

Yeah, I know. The whole situation in the record business really sucks. I hunted for a couple of years for that, and then it came up on eBay once for $75. I wrote to the seller and told him that if he wanted to sell  it right this minute I would offer him $35 and he took it. The fact that it had been up twice before already convinced him that he wanted too much for it. So I did well.

Artfully scored, sieur!

[Gurn Blanston]

Artfully scored, sieur!

Merci, mon ami. It is one of my prized disks, made all the sweeter by having extracted it from a hostile market, so to speak.   

[kishnevi]

Totally off topic--
But here  is solid evidence that Clint Eastwood is a Haydnisto.  (Or maybe a Gardineristo, I suppose.)

[Karl Henning]

(* chortle *)

[Gurn Blanston]

Totally off topic--
But here  is solid evidence that Clint Eastwood is a Haydnisto.  (Or maybe a Gardineristo, I suppose.)

  Ever since those disks came out I have been totally puzzled over what concept they were intended to convey. The Eastwood thing is actually perfectly adumbrated by these covers! 

[DavidRoss]

Yeah, I know. The whole situation in the record business really sucks. I hunted for a couple of years for that, and then it came up on eBay once for $75. I wrote to the seller and told him that if he wanted to sell  it right this minute I would offer him $35 and he took it. The fact that it had been up twice before already convinced him that he wanted too much for it. So I did well. But you know, just because someone is asking that much, doesn't mean they are getting that much. I wrote to a seller earlier this week about a biography of Haydn by David Wyn-Jones. It had been offered for the ludicrous price of $95 for over a year, and then a new seller came along who had 11 copies and asked $53. I still felt it was too much, and after 3 or 4 months (still had the 11 copies) I wrote this week and asked if he would sell me one for less than that. He replied "$39.98" and I bought it on the spot.  The other 10 copies are still available for that price. No need to thank me.

In summary, I have done this dozens of times, and I will estimate that I have been successful  90% of the time. Just sayin'. 



PS - Don't'cha love the picture on the front of that disk? 

Says "Haydn" to me!

My older boy loves bargaining on Craig's List. He persistently lowballs sellers with the bargain price he's willing to pay and eventually it pays off much of the time, once folks realize they aren't going to get $100 for some white elephant and then decide getting rid of it for $10 is better than being stuck with it for nothing. Speaking of which ... I have a mint condition Tejano Boys polka album I might be persuaded to part with for only $29.99. Right up your alley, Gurn!

Totally off topic--
But here  is solid evidence that Clint Eastwood is a Haydnisto.  (Or maybe a Gardineristo, I suppose.)

[Gurn Blanston]

Says "Haydn" to me!

My older boy loves bargaining on Craig's List. He persistently lowballs sellers with the bargain price he's willing to pay and eventually it pays off much of the time, once folks realize they aren't going to get $100 for some white elephant and then decide getting rid of it for $10 is better than being stuck with it for nothing. Speaking of which ... I have a mint condition Tejano Boys polka album I might be persuaded to part with for only $29.99. Right up your alley, Gurn!

Well, I never used to do that, but lately things have gotten so out of hand that one can scarcely afford to pay the asking prices, especially of books. If you ran a search on eBay of "Haydn in Books" virtually every hit would be priced ~$100 and up. Even things I bought new last year for $25 are selling now for $100. It's just wrong. So you gotta dicker or suffer.

Tejano Polkas eh? Does it have a nice picture on the front?   

[DavidRoss]

Tejano Polkas eh? Does it have a nice picture on the front?   

Your call (de gustibus, and all that)

[Karl Henning]

Los muchachos tejanos!

[Gurn Blanston]

Here is a new book that you might enjoy to check out;

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I got it early this last week and am nearly finished with my first reading now. David Wyn-Jones was also the editor of "Oxford Composer Companions: Haydn" which is the book that I relied heavily on for chronological information on compositions and actually a whole lot more. He would have a ways to go to take the place of H.C. Robbins-Landon, but it's hard to see anyone else on that trail so maybe so.

The book is rather on the slim side at 264 pages, but it is packed with biographical detail which is of the 'latest and greatest' sort. Since the previous biography of Haydn was Karl Geiringer's 1982 revision of his 1946 work ("Haydn: A Creative Life in Music"), this 2009 tome is very welcome indeed.

I learned a lot, here's one example:

Haydn bought a parrot in England that could talk quite fluently and named it Jako. He apparently had it until he died. I never heard a breath of that before.

Anyway, I already did the dickering for you (see above) and can tell you that Labyrinth Books  in the AMP did me just fine. In this day and age, $40 for a hardcover book, even a small one, is about the best you can hope for. 

[SonicMan46]

Hey Gurn - for a book of this length, I'm thinking $10 for an e-edition -    

BUT, $98 Prime on Amazon & $40 on the MP (plus S/H) is ridiculous as you've already stated - not sure that I want to chuck out that dough to learn about a parrot?     Dave

[Gurn Blanston]

Hey Gurn - for a book of this length, I'm thinking $10 for an e-edition -    

BUT, $98 Prime on Amazon & $40 on the MP (plus S/H) is ridiculous as you've already stated - not sure that I want to chuck out that dough to learn about a parrot?     Dave

Well, the $40 is a reasonable price, the $98 is ludicrous. I watched it sit there for several months at a much higher price before finally writing to them with an offer. The prices of books these days are intended to insure that only the wealthy have access to them...

[Gurn Blanston]

Something new for me

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I have the big Brilliant box of these works but am always on the lookout for other recordings.

Oh, that's a good recording. It's rather early times in the baryton recording business, IIRC, but they do a nice job of it. Later on I'll give you a link if you would like to all of the baryton recordings. Many (most) of them are still available, like your Claves disk which I only got early this year. 

[Gurn Blanston]

Another complete set besides the Brilliant box?  Or individual discs?  In any event, I would like to have the link 

I also found this which is very nice too,

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Not baryton, but I love these divertimenti.

No, there is no other complete set. But there are 8-10 single disks that cover a big range of the trios. If you like performer variety, you can make a nicely mixed cycle just using the Brilliant set for filling in the blanks. 

I actually thought I had done a short essay here on baryton trios, but apparently I only wrote it in my mind...

That Sans Souci disk is the one that I used as the exemplar in my survey. It is a fine disk. Some options are the Kuijkens (hard to get = expensive);



and this nice disk by the Agora Trio;



but I wouldn't change from what you already have, it's very satisfactory. Nice music too! 

[Opus106]

I actually thought I had done a short essay here on baryton trios, but apparently I only wrote it in my mind...

I remember this post, for instance, because that disc has been sitting on my wish-list since then. Some baryton discussion and disc recommendations to be found thereabouts.

Some options are the Kuijkens (hard to get = expensive);



...

On offer, for less than 10 Pounds at Presto (and likely at MDT, EuropaDisc etc. as well).
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Accent/ACC30007