Haydn's Haus

[Gurn Blanston]

I remember this post, for instance, because that disc has been sitting on my wish-list since then. Some baryton discussion and disc recommendations to be found thereabouts.

On offer, for less than 10 Pounds at Presto (and likely at MDT, EuropaDisc etc. as well).
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Accent/ACC30007

Ah yes, I remember that now. That's still a top-notch disk. I've seen it on eBay recently for less than $15 US, which is less than I paid. Ricercar disks are always expensive, in my experience. 

I wonder if Accent have re-released that Kuijkens. It seems like the 2 disk set that I have was also available as 2 single disks. Anyway, it was long OOP and when I got it for $27 I was delighted.

[Gurn Blanston]

These are all of the baryton trio disks that I have managed to amass beyond the Brilliant disk. The only other one I know about (a new disk, not yet in the cart) is this one;

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As with any other diverse group, they all have strengths and weaknesses. I would say that other than the Ricercar disk, which is essential, the others are luxury items, or especially for those who like to hear diversity of style in their music (Yes, Your Honor, the Defendant pleads 'guilty').

[Bogey]

... I have a mint condition Tejano Boys polka album I might be persuaded to part with for only $29.99.

I only collect the best, so I will pass....





.....but would you take $2 for it and you pick up this shipping, David?

[Bogey]

The Miami Wind Quintet. Sandra Seefeld, flute; Andrea Ridilla, oboe; Michele Gingras, clarinet; Gregory Phillips, horn; John Heard, bassoon

With members of the The Prague Wind Quintet: Jurij Likin, oboe; vastimil Mares, clarinet; vladima Klanska, horn; Milos Wichterle, bassoon. Compact disk. Helicon 1043. Recorded May 20, 1998, Studio Domovina, Prague, Czech Republic.

The above has some Krommer on it as well....nothing wrong with that.  However, what are your favorite Haydn "wind" discs that dispense with any strings or keyboards lending support.

[Gurn Blanston]

Bill,
How very extraordinary that you would post that question as I was preparing this post. Synchronicity at its finest! 



I got this 2 disk set today. I won't jump out and say it's my favorite winds-only disk, but it has something that no other disk so far has: all the marches of Hob VIII, which you will recall if you are a regular reader of this thread that I have been whining about for the longest time!

Downsides:
1. Well, modern instruments (but very well played) And that only applies to me.

2. It's on Arion, a French label that isn't in common circulation here (which is why I didn't even know it existed til last week). I got it at BRO but found it totally serendipitously

3. It has a few (3) 'attributed to' works on it, although they are all very nice. That would be Hob II:D18, 43 & 46.

4. Liner notes were originally in French and the translation has its moments of amusement    Also the author has coherency issues.

Upsides:

1. Did I mention it has all the marches on it? Except for the March for the Royal Society of Musicians (3bis) which is just a rewrite of the 'Prince of Wales' march anyway.

2. Has all the authentic Wind Sextets & the Hob II:14 for 2 Clarinets & 2 Horns, Haydn's first use of clarinets. Nice piece.

3. Has the separate introduction that he wrote for the Oratorio version of the "Seven Last Words" in a beautiful arrangement for wind octet.

Clearly a set worth having if you can get it at BRO prices like I did.

[Bogey]

http://www.amazon.com/Haydn-Int%C3%A9grale-loeuvre-pour-instruments/dp/B004BHAQ4S/ref=sr_1_10?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1349564653&sr=1-10&keywords=haydn+arion

For sampling your disc.

[Gurn Blanston]

http://www.amazon.com/Haydn-Int%C3%A9grale-loeuvre-pour-instruments/dp/B004BHAQ4S/ref=sr_1_10?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1349564653&sr=1-10&keywords=haydn+arion

For sampling your disc.

Very nice. Well, that's the thing that I've found out with other disks: once I know it exists, eventually (or sooner) I can find it. But as you can imagine, I've searched Amazon many, many dozens of times looking at Haydn disks and this one never popped up. That's the value of posting questions here.

[SonicMan46]

Bill,
How very extraordinary that you would post that question as I was preparing this post. Synchronicity at its finest! 



I got this 2 disk set today. I won't jump out and say it's my favorite winds-only disk, but it has something that no other disk so far has: all the marches of Hob VIII, which you will recall if you are a regular reader of this thread that I have been whining about for the longest time!..............

Gurn - wish that I had known about that 2-CD set above - just put in a 12 disc order @ BRO earlier this week and would have easily added this Haydn offering.  BUT, I must ask what is included, i.e. may already own a lot of this material? 

I have the London Wind Soloists (from the late 60s) on 2 oboes, 2 horns, & 2 bassoons doing HobII/15, 23, 7, D18, 3, G8, & D23 (the last attributed) - these are the Hoboken listings on the back cover.

Also own the Complete Early Divertimenti w/ Huss & Standage, a mixture of strings, winds, and the latter alone; 5-CD set - disc #2 are winds alone (HobII:3, 7, 14, 15, 23, 46; HobVIII:3, 3bis; disc #3 include HobII:8, 16, 17 & 24 (the latter 3 w/ strings).

SO, just curious if I already own the works on the recording you just posted, and even if so, is this French offering worth obtaining - the price is certainly right @ BRO!  I'll appreciate your thoughts - thanks, as always - Dave

 

[Gurn Blanston]

Gurn - wish that I had known about that 2-CD set above - just put in a 12 disc order @ BRO earlier this week and would have easily added this Haydn offering.  BUT, I must ask what is included, i.e. may already own a lot of this material? 

I have the London Wind Soloists (from the late 60s) on 2 oboes, 2 horns, & 2 bassoons doing HobII/15, 23, 7, D18, 3, G8, & D23 (the last attributed) - these are the Hoboken listings on the back cover.

Also own the Complete Early Divertimenti w/ Huss & Standage, a mixture of strings, winds, and the latter alone; 5-CD set - disc #2 are winds alone (HobII:3, 7, 14, 15, 23, 46; HobVIII:3, 3bis; disc #3 include HobII:8, 16, 17 & 24 (the latter 3 w/ strings).

SO, just curious if I already own the works on the recording you just posted, and even if so, is this French offering worth obtaining - the price is certainly right @ BRO!  I'll appreciate your thoughts - thanks, as always - Dave

 

Dave,
Well, you aren't going to do anything beyond duplicate your Hob II material. The only reason to buy this set is the Marches. That was plenty of reason for me to spend $8, but it may not be for you, depends on your Coefficient of Completism (CoC). If your CoC is like mine, then you have already placed your supplemental order, including making up some other item you "need" in order to reach the $15 minimum....   

[Gurn Blanston]

This recording only has one Haydn work - but it is a nicely programmed disc of Classical era music for wind quintet:

...and it's not really by Haydn. But what the heck, it's a nice piece (it is also on the disk I was writing about, it is Hob II:46, composer unknown) and the entire disk looks like a very nice hour of listening. I have the Mozart and Danzi, nice works. I would like to hear the Farkas and Takacs, so what the heck, I'll put it in my basket. Thanks for the tip.

[SonicMan46]

Dave,
Well, you aren't going to do anything beyond duplicate your Hob II material. The only reason to buy this set is the Marches. That was plenty of reason for me to spend $8, but it may not be for you, depends on your Coefficient of Completism (CoC). If your CoC is like mine, then you have already placed your supplemental order, including making up some other item you "need" in order to reach the $15 minimum....   

Thanks Gurn for your prompt response - 2 discs devoted to Haydn's wind works is irresistible to me (as you likely already know -  ) - guess that I'll spend the next half hour or so to get up to a half dozen more BRO offerings to justify shipping to me!  Dave

[Gurn Blanston]

Thanks Gurn for your prompt response - 2 discs devoted to Haydn's wind works is irresistible to me (as you likely already know -  ) - guess that I'll spend the next half hour or so to get up to a half dozen more BRO offerings to justify shipping to me!  Dave

  Yeah, what the heck. Those guys really play well and the SQ is super (disk was released in 2008, made in early 2000's). I matched it up with that disk on Brilliant of Hummel's Piano Septets to bring me to the minimum. I already had the downloads, nice to get the media. That's a good disk. Just sayin'....

[Bogey]

This recording only has one Haydn work - but it is a nicely programmed disc of Classical era music for wind quintet:

I am with Gurn on this one.  When it comes to chamber works, especially winds, I do not care if they put ten composers on there.  Good music is good music.  Thanks for the post....at $28 new for one disc, I will definitly have to look in the used/new column.

Played this one a bit ago....always wonderful:



Gurn discussed it here:

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?topic=54.1720

[Gurn Blanston]

I am with Gurn on this one.  When it comes to chamber works, especially winds, I do not care if they put ten composers on there.  Good music is good music.  Thanks for the post....at $28 new for one disc, I will definitly have to look in the used/new column.

Played this one a bit ago....always wonderful:



Gurn discussed it here:

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?topic=54.1720

Bill,
Nice disk! Did you happen to notice that I posted a couple of weeks ago that I have finally acquired disk 5 & 6 to complete that series? Of course, all the writing is in Japanese, but who cares?    Anyway, I've been trying to learn more about the string trios, but published information about them is as scarce (or more scarce!) as recordings.    Still, not giving up, just have to come up with a few more hundreds of dollars for more books.... 

[Bogey]

Bill,
Nice disk! Did you happen to notice that I posted a couple of weeks ago that I have finally acquired disk 5 & 6 to complete that series? Of course, all the writing is in Japanese, but who cares?    Anyway, I've been trying to learn more about the string trios, but published information about them is as scarce (or more scarce!) as recordings.    Still, not giving up, just have to come up with a few more hundreds of dollars for more books.... 

Congrats!  They can be very difficult to find and cost a pretty penny.  I only have 3 and 4....I would love to complete the run.  If you see any for a "song", let me know.  I am not worried about the text.  After all, we have you for that.

[DavidRoss]

I only collect the best, so I will pass....

.....but would you take $2 for it and you pick up this shipping, David?

[Rinaldo]

OK. *deep breath*

I've got a question for you folks. Say I've finally mustered the courage to explore Haydn's output but.. where do I start? Which symphonies, which SQ's?

I've listened to The Creation about year ago and was thoroughly unimpressed. So far the only thing by Haydn that stayed in my ears was some of the barytone trios I've heard on a radio programme that led me to this disc

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which I enjoy very much. I'm sure there's tons of knowledge to be extracted from this enormous thread but any quick tips on where to begin my Quest for Haydn™ would be most appreciated.

[Gurn Blanston]

OK. *deep breath*

I've got a question for you folks. Say I've finally mustered the courage to explore Haydn's output but.. where do I start? Which symphonies, which SQ's?

I've listened to The Creation about year ago and was thoroughly unimpressed. So far the only thing by Haydn that stayed in my ears was some of the barytone trios I've heard on a radio programme that led me to this disc

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which I enjoy very much. I'm sure there's tons of knowledge to be extracted from this enormous thread but any quick tips on where to begin my Quest for Haydn™ would be most appreciated.

Rinaldo,
Well, I will make an inference about your taste based on your (super) liking of the baryton trios. I didn't start with symphonies, and I don't think a symphony recommendation is appropriate here either.

So, my suggestion is that you find a 2 disk set with the 6 string quartets of Opus 76. I could confidently recommend the Quatuor Mosaiques, but since I am not hung up on performers, and this music is so damned fine, I will say that virtually any version you get will be eye/ear-opening.

See how that works for you, and if you like, I am happy to share discovered treasures when it comes to Haydn. There are many dozens of them! 

[DavidRoss]

Here is a great place to start:

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Ah--I see Gurn beat me to it (but with op 76, another superb choice)!

[Gurn Blanston]

Here is a great place to start:

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Ah--I see Gurn beat me to it (but with op 76, another superb choice)!

Yeah, I was torn there, David. Op 20 is a beauty. I went for the slam dunk though, since I don't know that much about what Rinaldo likes. It has always been my opinion that anyone who can't like Op 76 needs to give up on Classical Era music altogether.