Haydn's Haus

[Gurn Blanston]

On the theme of "what was Hoboken thinking", I've heard that he knew that the traditional numbering of the symphonies was wrong (especially the early ones), but chose not to change the numbers, because he thought it would cause too much confusion.

Anyway, I collected the Naxos symphonies disks when they came out and I liked them, but I've just ordered the Briliant Classics complete symphonies* (originally Nimbus). I'd like to listen to them in the correct order but the list of real numbers I have is quite approximate as I compiled it myself from Robbins Landon, and I want check against another list. Can someone point me in the direction of one.

Thanks

* I don't think this includes Symphonies A & B :-(

His logic was flawed; the world (that cared about such things) was waiting with bated breath for a more correct listing, and if he actually knew a better one, that point in time when the world that cared was a fraction of what it is now, would have been perfect for doing it right. Landon tried to do, and only shortly thereafter, but Hoboken had already written it in stone and Landon failed, outside of musicologists.

Fischer does indeed include A & B...

Brian's list is good as far as it goes, however it does not include the current de facto standard, what I call the 'New Chronology', meticulously worked out by Sonia Gerlach. If you want that info, it is here. I invite you to read my blog (linked in my sig) which has some up-to-date info on the symphonies to 1767, if you are interested.

[calyptorhynchus]

 Thanks very much Brian and Gurn, I will download those documents when I get home!

[TheGSMoeller]

Probably the one genre that is somewhat lacking in my collection is lieder, how's this one to the Haus's ears?
I see it listed at good prices.


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[Gurn Blanston]

Probably the one genre that is somewhat lacking in my collection is lieder, how's this one to the Haus's ears?
I see it listed at good prices.


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I don't have that one yet, but I looked at it and can't imagine it is less than excellent. Augér has a beautiful voice and is an experienced Haydn performer (she is in some of the Dorati operas, for example, and at least one other disk). The selection of songs is nice, mainly from the first (and more interesting) set of German songs, with half a dozen English Canzonettas  thrown in for good measure.

If you prefer to have a period keyboard, this other Brilliant with Emma Kirkby and Marcia Hadjimarkos is one I can vouch for. It is nearly all Canzonettas, along with a couple of other English tunes. At the price, I would get both of them.

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[TheGSMoeller]

I don't have that one yet, but I looked at it and can't imagine it is less than excellent. Augér has a beautiful voice and is an experienced Haydn performer (she is in some of the Dorati operas, for example, and at least one other disk). The selection of songs is nice, mainly from the first (and more interesting) set of German songs, with half a dozen English Canzonettas  thrown in for good measure.

If you prefer to have a period keyboard, this other Brilliant with Emma Kirkby and Marcia Hadjimarkos is one I can vouch for. It is nearly all Canzonettas, along with a couple of other English tunes. At the price, I would get both of them.

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Both are $6.99 at Arkivmusic, I would say it's worth it indeed. Thanks for the info, Gurn. 

[TheGSMoeller]

I'm not familiar with this ensemble, but here is a future release of Haydn's The Seven Last Words for string quartet. I currently have Emerson, Rosamunde and Mosaiques for quartet versions, but am always interested in hearing others. Amazon has it listed for a March 11 release date.

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[Gurn Blanston]

I'm not familiar with this ensemble, but here is a future release of Haydn's The Seven Last Words for string quartet. I currently have Emerson, Rosamunde and Mosaiques for quartet versions, but am always interested in hearing others. Amazon has it listed for a March 11 release date.

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Cuarteto Casals is a very fine modern instrument quartet. I have one of their early disks, the quartets of Arriaga and they played with great Je ne sais quoi..., they were in touch with the music, eh? 

[North Star]

Peter Watchorn likes them, too

[Mandryka]

I'm not familiar with this ensemble, but here is a future release of Haydn's The Seven Last Words for string quartet. I currently have Emerson, Rosamunde and Mosaiques for quartet versions, but am always interested in hearing others. Amazon has it listed for a March 11 release date.

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You don't associate Cuarteto Casals with slow movements, certainly not eight on the trot, they are often slightly manic, so that could be quite an unusual performance of a piece of music which IMO doesn't often come off well in SQ accounts when played in a conventional way. If you don't know their op 33 you're missing something, same for their Brahms and Schubert and Bartok.

[Gurn Blanston]

Every time I look into some of the lesser known works, I find something worth coming back to over and over. In working on 1767, as always the symphonies have pride of place, but this time I went after other things, like the Horn Trio and an iffy keyboard trio. I hope the results are interesting to you, too, and that you will be able to listen to the music.

Some unusual little chamber works

Please have a read if it pleases you, and feel free to discuss here.

[Justin]

Every time I look into some of the lesser known works, I find something worth coming back to over and over. In working on 1767, as always the symphonies have pride of place, but this time I went after other things, like the Horn Trio and an iffy keyboard trio. I hope the results are interesting to you, too, and that you will be able to listen to the music.

Some unusual little chamber works

Please have a read if it pleases you, and feel free to discuss here.

Aww geez, now I will probably have to buy that Natural Horn CD! My explorations of Baryton Trios from the Haydn Edition box have been quite enjoyable so far. Thanks for sharing your informative post!

[Gurn Blanston]

Aww geez, now I will probably have to buy that Natural Horn CD! My explorations of Baryton Trios from the Haydn Edition box have been quite enjoyable so far. Thanks for sharing your informative post!

You are most welcome. And if it's any consolation, you will really enjoy that natural horn disk, it is chock full of interesting stuff, much of it quite rare. I'm pleased you liked the baryton disks, I think they are just the thing for people looking for 'new music'.   

[TheGSMoeller]

Aww geez, now I will probably have to buy that Natural Horn CD! My explorations of Baryton Trios from the Haydn Edition box have been quite enjoyable so far. Thanks for sharing your informative post!

I agree that the Natural Horn CD is totally worth it, incredible music.

And again, well done, Gurn. Thank you for the great read.

[Gurn Blanston]

I agree that the Natural Horn CD is totally worth it, incredible music.

And again, well done, Gurn. Thank you for the great read.

Thanks for reading, Greg. I sure appreciate it. FWIW, I enjoyed that essay too, writing and reading.

[Gurn Blanston]

Well, I finished up 1767, I think this final essay shows nicely the scale of the different sizes of musical groups which Haydn composed for. If you are interested, please have a look.

End of 1767, the Stabat Mater

Thanks for your interest.

[Gurn Blanston]

OK, I couldn't lure you in with the Stabat Mater, guess I'll have to push forward to 1768 then!    This turns out to be a great year for music, and also from an historic POV for Haydn himself. It was quite eventful, as I hope you will agree after reading my latest essay.

The year the house burned down

Thanks for checking it out, always available to discuss.

[Gurn Blanston]

Oh, these are sad times im Haus, I had to go to page 2 to find the front door...   

Anyway, this next essay, based on the symphonies of 1768, took a lot of research and thinking. Being a slow thinker, it took a while to get it out here, but I hope you will find it interesting.

The symphonies of 1768

Have a look if you are of a mind.

Thanks,

[Gurn Blanston]

Of course, symphonies are the attention-getters, but there is plenty of other music from 1768, enough to satisfy many tastes. I took a short look at some of it here, perhaps you will like to have a look.

Some Hausmusik

Always pleased to discuss!

Thanks,
Gurn

[TheGSMoeller]

Oh, these are sad times im Haus, I had to go to page 2 to find the front door...   

Anyway, this next essay, based on the symphonies of 1768, took a lot of research and thinking. Being a slow thinker, it took a while to get it out here, but I hope you will find it interesting.

The symphonies of 1768

Have a look if you are of a mind.

Thanks,

Great recording recs, and an interesting take on No.49, Gurn.

[Gurn Blanston]

Great recording recs, and an interesting take on No.49, Gurn.

Thanks, Greg. I feel like David, taking on the Goliath that is Stürm und Dräng!  But #49 is one of my favorite symphonies, and I feel it can have different affekts depending on the listener's state of mind. I ike having my thought process turned around from time to time!