Haydn's Haus

[Bogey]

Continuing my enjoyment of Haydn through those that brought him more into the limelight early on.  I believe we could put Szell on this list.  This recording (in mono) from Severance Hall, Cleveland in April of 1954 is a fine example.  Here the "hall" is an obvious contributor to the sound.  I do not want to call it "atmospheric", but there seems to be space between the notes and them reaching the recording devices.  Add to this the mono quality and the warmth of the vinyl and you have a special recording.

[Bogey]

And to be released March 25:

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[Gurn Blanston]

Continuing my enjoyment of Haydn through those that brought him more into the limelight early on.  I believe we could put Szell on this list.  This recording (in mono) from Severance Hall, Cleveland in April of 1954 is a fine example.  Here the "hall" is an obvious contributor to the sound.  I do not want to call it "atmospheric", but there seems to be space between the notes and them reaching the recording devices.  Add to this the mono quality and the warmth of the vinyl and you have a special recording.

Nice chorus hanging overtop, Bill.

Interesting he calls #88 "Paris". Technically, of course, it was composed on commission by the Compte D'Ogny, who also commissioned the Paris Symphonies, but I have never heard it considered to be part of that set. Learn something new every day.

[Bogey]

Nice chorus hanging overtop, Bill.

Interesting he calls #88 "Paris". Technically, of course, it was composed on commission by the Compte D'Ogny, who also commissioned the Paris Symphonies, but I have never heard it considered to be part of that set. Learn something new every day.

Well, at least they got the London part right.  Maybe that is what they thought in '54?  Let me do some checking.

[Bogey]

If you read here with the zoom on the back notes, they give it a Paris title

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WILHELM-FURTWANGLER-conds-SCHUMANN-Sym-No-4-HAYDN-Sym-No-88-DECCA-GOLD-MINT-/390797863924?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item5afd5e2bf4

but not all vinyl from "the day" does:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRUNO-WALTER-HAYDN-Symphony-No-100-Symphony-88-in-G-Major-2-EYE-MONO-MINT-/281285562059?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item417ded0ecb

[Gurn Blanston]

Well, at least they got the London part right.  Maybe that is what they thought in '54?  Let me do some checking.

I just wonder if they were trying to give the impression it was one of the 6 Paris works to boost sales since people have heard of those. You could call it a "Paris II" symphony.   Nowadays, 88-92 are called 'The Chunnel Symphonies' since they actually arrived in London before they made it to Paris and were performed in London when Haydn arrived in 1791.

Yep, got the 'London' part double right' it is not only a London symphony, it is also the 'London' Symphony! 

[Bogey]

Trying to figure out if Beecham or Dorati recorded the early symphonies first.  I did find one cat Ernst Maerzendorfer with the Vienna Chamber Orchestra that recorded 1-4, but these lps are notorious for not dating the recordings. Was Dorati the first to cycle through?

[Gurn Blanston]

If you read here with the zoom on the back notes, they give it a Paris title

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WILHELM-FURTWANGLER-conds-SCHUMANN-Sym-No-4-HAYDN-Sym-No-88-DECCA-GOLD-MINT-/390797863924?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item5afd5e2bf4

Ha, that is so wrong! It specifically says #88 is "one of the six Paris symphonies composed in 1785-86". Those six are #82-87. 88 was composed in 1787. So, it was a fault of scholarship at the time (or a scam). That is very interesting, thanks for those links, Bill. FYI, the scores they used back at that time were pretty lame too, an authoritative score was still a few years in the future. The accrued emendations of centuries and all that...

[Gurn Blanston]

Trying to figure out if Beecham or Dorati recorded the early symphonies first.  I did find one cat Ernst Maerzendorfer with the Vienna Chamber Orchestra that recorded 1-4, but these lps are notorious for not dating the recordings. Was Dorati the first to cycle through?

I need to let someone more knowledgeable handle that, Bill. I thought it was Märzendorfer. I know a place that will know, I'll see if I can find a link.

[Bogey]

Ha, that is so wrong! It specifically says #88 is "one of the six Paris symphonies composed in 1785-86". Those six are #82-87. 88 was composed in 1787. So, it was a fault of scholarship at the time (or a scam). That is very interesting, thanks for those links, Bill. FYI, the scores they used back at that time were pretty lame too, an authoritative score was still a few years in the future. The accrued emendations of centuries and all that...

Be sure to blog this stuff for future "referencers".  The history of recordings is fascinating to some of us and Haydn seems to somewhat, and I say somewhat, possible to follow.  Unlike Mozart or LvB.

[Bogey]

I need to let someone more knowledgeable handle that, Bill. I thought it was Märzendorfer. I know a place that will know, I'll see if I can find a link.

Thanks.  Did Märzendorfer complete the cycle?

[Bogey]

Haydn lps available on Ebay: 6,334
Beethoven: 18,912
Mozart: 17,567

Not an exact science and one that does not take into account repeats, but I see a ton  of Lud and Wolfie in record stacks and only a handful of Haydn.

[Gurn Blanston]

Thanks.  Did Märzendorfer complete the cycle?

Don't know. You can get CD transfers at Haydn House. Umm, not Haydn's Haus, the CD transfer company. They have the Goberman and the Leslie Jones sets, the thing is that you can see their transfers and they tell you a lot about what the originals were, or if they existed.

http://www.haydnhouse.com/home.htm

[Bogey]

Don't know. You can get CD transfers at Haydn House. Umm, not Haydn's Haus, the CD transfer company. They have the Goberman and the Leslie Jones sets, the thing is that you can see their transfers and they tell you a lot about what the originals were, or if they existed.

http://www.haydnhouse.com/home.htm

Looks like Jones recorded for the Nonesuch label which is discussed a bit on the vinyl thread.  As for Goberman, his are on the Odyssey label.  Kind of a wash to pay for the cds or just find the lps.  I believe I will look for the later as they say the sound quality from their masters is iffy on some.  However, they may have some that never made it to lp.  Either way, many thanks.

[Bogey]

As for Haydn receiving a bit of a brighter spot on the "recording map", I cannot help but think that these Merc recordings went a long way in getting him into more households.

[Gurn Blanston]

Looks like Jones recorded for the Nonesuch label which is discussed a bit on the vinyl thread.  As for Goberman, his are on the Odyssey label.  Kind of a wash to pay for the cds or just find the lps.  I believe I will look for the later as they say the sound quality from their masters is iffy on some.  However, they may have some that never made it to lp.  Either way, many thanks.

As an example, they have the 9 lp's by Derek Solomons/L'Estro Armonico which CBS never saw fit to release on CD. I have already the 7 which they did release commercially, and will gladly pay the $108 for the remaining 9. Of course, the lp's are from the late '70's / early '80's, so SQ is excellent either way. But since I have no equipment for playing records, it's a no-brainer for me.

[Gurn Blanston]

As for Haydn receiving a bit of a brighter spot on the "recording map", I cannot help but think that these Merc recordings went a long way in getting him into more households.

Yes, bet it did. I see he is carrying Mozart on his back yet again...

[Gurn Blanston]

Looks like Jones recorded for the Nonesuch label which is discussed a bit on the vinyl thread.  As for Goberman, his are on the Odyssey label.  Kind of a wash to pay for the cds or just find the lps.  I believe I will look for the later as they say the sound quality from their masters is iffy on some.  However, they may have some that never made it to lp.  Either way, many thanks.

Did you see the Märzendorfer link above those?

[Bogey]

Did you see the Märzendorfer link above those?

Yup.  Also led me to the Hermann Scherchen on another page from the 1950's.

[Karl Henning]

And to be released March 25:

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Huzzah for this re-release!  A very nice box.