Haydn's Haus

[Gurn Blanston]

I think I have two of the separate issues, together 5 or 6 discs. Which is more than enough to get a taste/impression of it and it was enough for me

(I am very fond of the Beethoven folksong settings, though, owning both the Archiv complete box (but it's only 6 discs or so) and 3-4 single disc anthologies.)

That's interesting. I have all those Beethoven's too, got them about 10 years ago. They never hooked me the way the Haydn ones did, in fact, I am not completely sure I ever played the Archiv box all the way through! Which made me a little leery about the Haydn ones when that time arrived.

It was way different with the Haydn's, I enjoyed them right from the start. Not sure why exactly, quite possibly it is because I had grown to like songs a lot more than I used to. Also the fortepiano accompaniment on most of my Haydn disks is much easier on the ear, it doesn't make the singer work so damned hard! Anyway, I plan on pulling out that Beethoven box soon and having another go at it. Maybe I will like it a lot better now.



PS - I listened (for the hell of it) to the Brilliant version of Haydn/Burns' Auld lang syne on New Years Eve. It is actually quite interesting, and certainly isn't done Adagio!

[Gurn Blanston]

It's hard to imagine a situation where a wealthy impresario had a first-class opera all bought and paid for, and a brand-new House for it to open, and in the event, it never happens! Well, it happened in London in 1791...

Just a bit silly, it seems...

Check it out.

Thanks,

[Jo498]

That's interesting. I have all those Beethoven's too, got them about 10 years ago. They never hooked me the way the Haydn ones did, in fact, I am not completely sure I ever played the Archiv box all the way through! Which made me a little leery about the Haydn ones when that time arrived.

It was way different with the Haydn's, I enjoyed them right from the start. Not sure why exactly, quite possibly it is because I had grown to like songs a lot more than I used to. Also the fortepiano accompaniment on most of my Haydn disks is much easier on the ear, it

I think the accompaniment is often considerably more involved in the Beethoven settings. But I admittedly know (some of) them much better than the Haydn ones. Still my favorite disc that got me "hooked", is the following:

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I find some of these pieces absolutely "haunting" and more convincing than many of Beethoven's original songs (although the latter also contain gems and are comparably underrated and only a few are well known).

With the Haydn settings my impression was that they are generally "lighter" and more cheerful.

[Gurn Blanston]

I think the accompaniment is often considerably more involved in the Beethoven settings. But I admittedly know (some of) them much better than the Haydn ones. Still my favorite disc that got me "hooked", is the following:

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I find some of these pieces absolutely "haunting" and more convincing than many of Beethoven's original songs (although the latter also contain gems and are comparably underrated and only a few are well known).

With the Haydn settings my impression was that they are generally "lighter" and more cheerful.

Oh, that looks nice, I'll have that one! Nearly all of my Beethoven are on modern instruments.

Well, there are some factors which may have been involved in all that. Of course, the main one was Beethoven was Beethoven and Haydn was Haydn. But beyond that, Haydn met all of these publishers like Whyte and Thomson personally, and very likely they sat down together and played some ideas out, and so he was composing to their taste as well as his own. Beethoven, of course, never did that. IIRC, he had Ries, who lived in London at the time, do whatever business there was to do with Thomson while stayed home and wrote to his own muse. I may have to go back and look at some book or other, but I seem to recall some complaints that he was writing too complicated for the projected audience for the sheet music. Which, of course, is what we like about it today. Irony.

[Brian]

Looks like February will bring a modern-orchestra Naxos CD of the opera overtures. Details still unclear - I'll post 'em if I find 'em.

Update!

Generous 79:28 playing time with these overtures:
Lo speziale
Acide e Galatea
Le pescatrici
Philemon und Baucis
L'infedelta delusa (what a name!)
Der Gotterath
L'incontro improvviso
Il mondo della luna ("Life on the Moon"!)
L'isola disabitata
La vera costanza ("True George Costanza")
La fedelta premiata
Orlando Paladino
Armida
L'anima del filosofo, ossia Orfeo e Eurydice

Czech Chamber Philharmonic, Pardubice
Michael Halasz

The Manfred Huss CD also includes overtures from non-operas, like The Creation, a couple of overtures which don't have names attached, and one overture that was mostly written by Ignaz Pleyel. This new disc tracks each section of an overture separately, so "L'incontro improvviso" is four tracks.

[Gurn Blanston]

Update!

Generous 79:28 playing time with these overtures:
Lo speziale
Acide e Galatea
Le pescatrici
Philemon und Baucis
L'infedelta delusa (what a name!)
Der Gotterath
L'incontro improvviso
Il mondo della luna ("LifeThe World on the Moon"!)
L'isola disabitata
La vera costanza ("True George Costanza")
La fedelta premiata
Orlando Paladino
Armida
L'anima del filosofo, ossia Orfeo e Eurydice

Czech Chamber Philharmonic, Pardubice
Michael Halasz

The Manfred Huss CD also includes overtures from non-operas, like The Creation, a couple of overtures which don't have names attached, and one overture that was mostly written by Ignaz Pleyel. This new disc tracks each section of an overture separately, so "L'incontro improvviso" is four tracks.

Thanks for the info, Brian. Nice list!

Of course, if you want to be picky, the overture for L'anima del filosofo, ossia Orfeo e Euridice
is probably not for that, it is a 1795 piece which was written for a local production which Haydn simply called 'Overture for an English opera', but was actually called 'Windsor Castle', IIRC. Since it has some quotes from O & E in it, it was a natural to use it, although it isn't known if the cart came before the horse or vice-versa. 

In any case, there is nothing like a good disk of overtures, and that looks like one!

Thanks!

[Camphy]

Posted by Todd in the New Releases thread:

On Amazon the release has the following description: "These four symphonies have been specially recorded for the upcoming Decca Classics Haydn: Complete Symphonies, a 36 CD set to be released in 2016. This will be the first Haydn symphony cycle on period instruments."

[Que]

Posted by Todd in the New Releases thread:

On Amazon the release has the following description: "These four symphonies have been specially recorded for the upcoming Decca Classics Haydn: Complete Symphonies, a 36 CD set to be released in 2016. This will be the first Haydn symphony cycle on period instruments."

Wow.... So Decca (L'Oiseau Lyre) aborted the Hogwood cycle 20 years ago on the verge of its completion, only to start all over now? 

What an incredible bunch of losers....   Yet, I can't say that Hogwood was my absolute dreamed Haydn conductor....

I guess we should count our blessings.  Speaking of which - how are Dantone's Haydn credentials? I never heard his concerto recordings...

Q

[Camphy]

Keep double-posting  : I hope the Haydn 2032 project won't in any way be harmed by this mega-release.

[jlaurson]

Posted by Todd in the New Releases thread:

On Amazon the release has the following description: "These four symphonies have been specially recorded for the upcoming Decca Classics Haydn: Complete Symphonies, a 36 CD set to be released in 2016. This will be the first Haydn symphony cycle on period instruments."

I think know that's the cycle they'll put together from Hogwood and Bruggen and with these which are, so to say, patching sessions.

[Camphy]

I think know that's the cycle they'll put together from Hogwood and Bruggen and with these which are, so to say, patching sessions.

Thanks for that info, Jens. Wily moves by Decca. I find it hard to disagree with Que's statement about them.

[Brian]

Thanks for that info, Jens. Wily moves by Decca. I find it hard to disagree with Que's statement about them.

Not to say the resulting Hogwood/Bruggen/Dantone combo cycle does not sound appealing - it does! (To me.) I wonder how they will choose when faced with a choice of recording between Christopher H. and Frans B.

[Gurn Blanston]

Wow.... So Decca (L'Oiseau Lyre) aborted the Hogwood cycle 20 years ago on the verge of its completion, only to start all over now? 

What an incredible bunch of losers....   Yet, I can't say that Hopgwood was my absolute dreamed Haydn conductor....

I guess we shoul count out blessings.  Speaking of which - how are Dantone's Haydn credentials? I never heard his concerto recordings...

Q

I am very fond of his keyboard concertos disk, and thrilled with this symphonies release. I shall have it the day it hits the shelf! 

[Gurn Blanston]

I think know that's the cycle they'll put together from Hogwood and Bruggen and with these which are, so to say, patching sessions.

Freaking amazing!  Well, I have all the Hogwood and all the Brüggen, so I guess this will be all I need to do it myself, which is exactly what I would do anyway! 

[Camphy]

Not to say the resulting Hogwood/Bruggen/Dantone combo cycle does not sound appealing - it does! (To me.) I wonder how they will choose when faced with a choice of recording between Christopher H. and Frans B.

Yeah, I guess the combo cycle remains attractive, although I have to say I'd sooner go for the Hogwood box, unless the combo cycle is very cheap (I have the Brüggen set).
In any case, I'm certainly interested in this particular disc featuring symphonies 78-81.

[Que]

I think know that's the cycle they'll put together from Hogwood and Bruggen and with these which are, so to say, patching sessions.

What?  I should have guessed...

Actually, IMO a hotchpotch cycle that is cobbled together is even far worse than doing a entire new ccyle...though the overall quality with these three HIPconductors will be more than decent.

Q

[Gurn Blanston]

What?  I should have guessed...

Actually, IMO a hotchpotch cycle that is cobbled together is even far worse than doing a entire new ccyle...though the overall quality with these three HIPconductors will be more than decent.

Q

Yes, but you know, I like the different thoughts and approaches better than an entire cycle taken from just 1 POV. My own 'cycle' is made up of at least 10 different conductors, so this little Double-Decca will fill the final hole, with Jacobs' #80 right between the 2 missing ones!  I'm very happy. Although it must be said, I have every PI Haydn symphony recording I know of, so I can do something like that and understand not everyone can. They can do it with Sibelius though...   

[Jo498]

Not to say the resulting Hogwood/Bruggen/Dantone combo cycle does not sound appealing - it does! (To me.) I wonder how they will choose when faced with a choice of recording between Christopher H. and Frans B.

The simplest thing would be just to go with Brüggen for 82-104 and Hogwood for the earlier ones. Otherwise they would have to do some complicated sorting because the way the Hogwood was originally arranged.

I wonder if Hogwood's 76+77 that were only on that BBC disc will also appear. I guess so, otherwise Dantone would have had to do them as well.

It feels like cheating but I agree that it is not an all that unattractive cycle (except for me, I have all the Brüggen and some of the Hogwood).

[jlaurson]

The simplest thing would be just to go with Brüggen for 82-104 and Hogwood for the earlier ones. Otherwise they would have to do some complicated sorting because the way the Hogwood was originally arranged.

I wonder if Hogwood's 76+77 that were only on that BBC disc will also appear. I guess so, otherwise Dantone would have had to do them as well.

It feels like cheating but I agree that it is not an all that unattractive cycle (except for me, I have all the Brüggen and some of the Hogwood).

Well, I have all the Hogwood, but little of the Bruggen because I once had the box sent to me... it was returned when I wasn't home for a week or so... and then it was sold out forever. 

Now what shall I do, if they go with all Hogwood and use Bruggen only for the holes, rather than the other way around? 

[Gurn Blanston]

Well, I have all the Hogwood, but little of the Bruggen because I once had the box sent to me... it was returned when I wasn't home for a week or so... and then it was sold out forever. 

Now what shall I do, if they go with all Hogwood and use Bruggen only for the holes, rather than the other way around? 

Perhaps they will choose the Brüggen based on orchestra; some are Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment, others are Orchestra of the 18th Century. I can't present a list of which is which at this moment, but it may break into some sort of logical order versus the Hogwood's.