Haydn's Haus

[Gurn Blanston]

Perhaps they will choose the Brüggen based on orchestra; some are Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment, others are Orchestra of the 18th Century. I can't present a list of which is which at this moment, but it may break into some sort of logical order versus the Hogwood's.

Oh yes, I see now, that will almost certainly be it. The OEC begin with the Paris symphonies on through the end, while the OAE are the S & D's through #65. I am virtually positive this will be the scheme. Too bad, Hogwood's 94 & 100 are excellent! 

[Madiel]

If we're talking about the Hogwood L'oiseau-Lyre box that is on my shopping list, I might well be very interested in something that plugs gaps, particularly in that numbering range just before the Paris symphonies.

It's always puzzled me a little that it's not easy to get 76-78 or 79-81 as a group, given that they were written as groups.

[Jo498]

yes, they are among the most neglected Haydn pieces (considering them being mature symphonies). Only Goodman has done 76-78 on one disc, I think. (Not sure in what form the Fischer recordings appeared originally.)

[Old Listener]

yes, they are among the most neglected Haydn pieces (considering them being mature symphonies). Only Goodman has done 76-78 on one disc, I think. (Not sure in what form the Fischer recordings appeared originally.)

I believe the Fischer 76,77 and 78 were first released in a 4 or 5 CD set by Nimbus.

I like the Goodman performances of 76-78 (and the Hogwood 76 and 77 on a BBC CD) but the Fischer recordings are my go-to choices most of the time.

[Jo498]

76-78 are among Fischer's best work. I seem to recall, probably also 70 and 74. Goodman has no trumpets in some of them but otherwise 70-78 are well served if one has Goodman and Fischer. But Goodman never got around to 79-81.

Overall, one can understand that they are in the shadow of the Paris set. But again, some other pieces who by historical accident received nicknames (like 69 or 73) are comparably better served without being more accomplished than 76-81.

[Gurn Blanston]

Well, poor me; I've had to spend the weekend listening to Haydn's first 2 London symphonies!  Somehow I managed to pull through, here's what I found out.

A pretty fine start!

See if you agree.

Thanks,

[Sergeant Rock]

Only Goodman has done 76-78 on one disc, I think. (Not sure in what form the Fischer recordings appeared originally.)

I believe the Fischer 76,77 and 78 were first released in a 4 or 5 CD set by Nimbus.

Fischer's Nimbus box (volume 5) has them programmed perfectly: 76-78 on disc 3 and 79-81 on disc 4.

Sarge

[Madiel]

Well, poor me; I've had to spend the weekend listening to Haydn's first 2 London symphonies!  Somehow I managed to pull through, here's what I found out.

A pretty fine start!

See if you agree.

Thanks,

In my head, no.102 gets labelled "Real Miracle".  Not that in any case it actually has something to do with the music.

[Gurn Blanston]

In my head, no.102 gets labelled "Real Miracle".  Not that in any case it actually has something to do with the music.

I've always thought #102 was a brilliant symphony, one of those which people rarely mention among its neighbors. Of course, 96 is one which seems to rarely get mentioned at all. I guess it is hard to look past our favorites sometimes.

[Karl Henning]

Celebrating today's arrival of this box by going straight to "Papa" (CD 2).  Relying on Truls Mørk to rock these.

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[Jo498]

I've always thought #102 was a brilliant symphony, one of those which people rarely mention among its neighbors. Of course, 96 is one which seems to rarely get mentioned at all. I guess it is hard to look past our favorites sometimes.

I would have guessed that among the "nameless" London symphonies 95, 98 and 102 were somewhat more famous than 93, 96 (the name is not so commonly known, I think), 97 and 99; in any case even the nameless London symphonies are all reasonably well known and frequently played/recorded.
Tbh I do think that 96 is the slightest of all the London set and that Haydn was somewhat testing the ground with a fairly short and not too involved piece but that does not mean that it is a weak piece.
102, on the other hand, is clearly on my short list of favorite symphonies, not only restricted to Haydn...

[Gurn Blanston]

I would have guessed that among the "nameless" London symphonies 95, 98 and 102 were somewhat more famous than 93, 96 (the name is not so commonly known, I think), 97 and 99; in any case even the nameless London symphonies are all reasonably well known and frequently played/recorded.
Tbh I do think that 96 is the slightest of all the London set and that Haydn was somewhat testing the ground with a fairly short and not too involved piece but that does not mean that it is a weak piece.
102, on the other hand, is clearly on my short list of favorite symphonies, not only restricted to Haydn...

Well, it is difficulty to tell, really. It is often the case that cycles are recorded, so counting the number of recordings can be deceptive. That said, 97, 93, 98, 99 & 95 are all hovering around 40 available recordings (in the US), while 94 leads the way with 90, and 100-104 are all at least ranging from 65-76, with the exception of #102 at 55.

But if you read a lot of posts, you find certain ones crop up much more frequently than others, and of those, 93, 95, 96 & 97 are the least mentioned. Perhaps they ARE less interesting, I don't know. It is one of those cases where one can say that, and then sit down with no other intention than to seriously listen to something like #95 or 96, and come away with a realization that they are some damned fine symphonies in their own right!

I like 102 a lot myself. Just sayin'...

[George]

Celebrating today's arrival of this box by going straight to "Papa" (CD 2).  Relying on Truls Mørk to rock these.

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I hope he does, Karl, though I have to say he did not rock in his Rachmaninoff cello sonata recording with Thibaudet.

[Karl Henning]

I hope he does, Karl, though I have to say he did not rock in his Rachmaninoff cello sonata recording with Thibaudet.

Bad luck with the Rakhmaninov, George! I find the Haydn very satisfactory.

[Sergeant Rock]

A pretty fine start!

Another good read. Thanks, Gurn. Listening to 96 now.

Sarge

[Gurn Blanston]

Another good read. Thanks, Gurn. Listening to 96 now.

Sarge

Thanks, Sarge. 96 grew in my estimation during that writing, I love it when that happens!

[Sergeant Rock]

Thanks, Sarge. 96 grew in my estimation during that writing, I love it when that happens!

Seems to have grown in my estimation after reading your essay!    But seriously! I don't think I've ever enjoyed it so much. It wasn't previously on my radar as one of my favorite Londons. That seems to be changing.

Sarge

[Gurn Blanston]

Seems to have grown in my estimation after reading your essay!    But seriously! I don't think I've ever enjoyed it so much. It wasn't previously on my radar as one of my favorite Londons. That seems to be changing.

Sarge

Wunderbar! 

[Karl Henning]

I love dis Haus!

[Camphy]

Apparently released in France in November: