Haydn's Haus

[Chronochromie]

Best Haydn opera to start with and favorite CD recordings? I was thinking of the Dorati/Lausanne Il mondo della luna but wanted to see what Haydn cognoscenti thought.

[Florestan]

Apparently released in France in November:

Note to Sarge: don´t walk, run! 

[Florestan]

Best Haydn opera to start with and favorite CD recordings? I was thinking of the Dorati/Lausanne Il mondo della luna but wanted to see what Haydn cognoscenti thought.

My favorite is La fedelta premiata with Dorati / Lausanne & Ileana Cotrubas, Frederica von Stade, Lucia Valentini Terrani, Luigi Alva etc.

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,54.msg903368.html#msg903368

[Gurn Blanston]

Best Haydn opera to start with and favorite CD recordings? I was thinking of the Dorati/Lausanne Il mondo della luna but wanted to see what Haydn cognoscenti thought.

For me, Orlando paladino and Armida / Harnoncourt . Then L'anima del filosofo, ossia Orfeo ed Euridice / Hogwood. The last two both feature Bartoli, who is excellent in Haydn.

As far as it goes, there sure isn't anything wrong with that Il mondo della Luna either!

[Gurn Blanston]

My favorite is La fedelta premiata with Dorati / Lausanne & Ileana Cotrubas, Frederica von Stade, Lucia Valentini Terrani, Luigi Alva etc.

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,54.msg903368.html#msg903368

Another gem. Since this is the only recording, there is no contest about which performance! Some really nice arias in this one too!

[Chronochromie]

Thank you both, I think I'll start with Orlando Paladino.

[Sergeant Rock]

Note to Sarge: don´t walk, run! 

I think this is why amw has us on her ignore list 

Sarge

[Sergeant Rock]

Best Haydn opera to start with and favorite CD recordings? I was thinking of the Dorati/Lausanne Il mondo della luna but wanted to see what Haydn cognoscenti thought.

This would be my pick. The three women (Von Stade/Auger/Mathis) are outstanding.

Sarge

[Jo498]

Note that "Orlando Paladino" is a farcical parody of opera seria... even less consistent or "logical" than most other operas... (It's the only Haydn opera I ever saw on stage and I bought Harnoncourt's recording but I am not sure if I listened to it more than once afterwards.)

[Gurn Blanston]

Note that "Orlando Paladino" is a farcical parody of opera seria... even less consistent or "logical" than most other operas... (It's the only Haydn opera I ever saw on stage and I bought Harnoncourt's recording but I am not sure if I listened to it more than once afterwards.)

What I saw though, which I have the DVD of, is Regietheater foolishness. It is by Jacobs as opposed to Harnoncourt, but if Harnoncourt uses the same sort of ideas, then I am pleased to have only the CD soundtrack, which you can't tell to be stupid. The original staging of OP was based on the Ariosto epic poem, which certainly had its own built-in send up of chivalry, but was not a farce nor meant to be.

Orlando P

The Ariosto original is a masterpiece which was popular for centuries. The opera, obviously, only sets a small part of the whole thing, else it would last for days! Nothing wrong with intelligent comedy, but it shouldn't be slapstick.

[Florestan]

I think this is why amw has us on her ignore list 

You mean amw is a woman? 

[Jo498]

To clarify, I have not seen the Harnoncourt production on stage or DVD (I only have the CD) but a local/provincial one in Germany that used some farcical things in staging (it was very entertaining altogether, though).

But if you compare Haydn's opera to the obviously serious treatments of related material in e.g. Handel's "Orlando" or "Alcina", the farcical elements are present in the libretto and music, e.g. Rodomonte.

[Karl Henning]

Nothing wrong with intelligent comedy, but it shouldn't be slapstick.

http://www.youtube.com/v/E33qzW4Qvr8

[Gurn Blanston]

To clarify, I have not seen the Harnoncourt production on stage or DVD (I only have the CD) but a local/provincial one in Germany that used some farcical things in staging (it was very entertaining altogether, though).

But if you compare Haydn's opera to the obviously serious treatments of related material in e.g. Handel's "Orlando" or "Alcina", the farcical elements are present in the libretto and music, e.g. Rodomonte.

Ah, I thought perhaps you had seen something like the Jacobs Orlando, which is ludicrous, although with a great soundtrack which I am trying to extract from the DVD to FLAC. It ruined the damned thing for me. Harnoncourt did a Il Mondo... which was along the same lines.

But yes, I agree, and if you are going to present farcical possibilities to someone like Haydn, it would be impossible for him to ignore. BUt the original Ariosto poem was the source of it, rather than Haydn's librettist. You should read some of it, it's a hoot! 

[Gurn Blanston]

http://www.youtube.com/v/E33qzW4Qvr8

Well, thank god there is no soprano part in there! 

[kishnevi]

Listening to this new arrival.
The cover is slightly misleading. The bulk of the CD is Beethoven,  eight songs in addition to Ferne Geliebte.  Mozart has two songs in addition to the Masonic Cantata.  Haydn himself is represented by the first three tracks
She never told her love. Hob. XXXVIa:34 sets a short passage from Twelfth Night.
Hark! What I tell to thee Hob. XXXVIa:41 sets a poem by Anne Hunter
Antwort auf die Frage eines Madchen XXXVIa:46 sets an anonymous German poem.

Fortepiano is a c.1820 Rosenberger,  Tuning A=430 unequal temperament.

[kishnevi]

Found this today at Barnes and Noble

Relevance : lead off work is Hob. VIIb.1, the concerto in C Major.
Good PI performance.

[Gurn Blanston]

Found this today at Barnes and Noble

Relevance : lead off work is Hob. VIIb.1, the concerto in C Major.
Good PI performance.

Interesting, he is new to me, although we have seen the band, just recently. Nice lineup, although I don't know Graziani, the others are all good.

Thanks!

[kishnevi]

Interesting, he is new to me, although we have seen the band, just recently. Nice lineup, although I don't know Graziani, the others are all good.

Thanks!

He is young, early twenties.  The Graziani is labelled a world premier recording.

[Gurn Blanston]

He is young, early twenties.  The Graziani is labelled a world premier recording.

Ah, that explains everything, and quite neatly too.