The pakistan dilemma

[paulb]

well do you agree its wise to move troops into pakistan so as to prevent a  eventual takeover of the country by al qaeda?
Or do you think its very foolish to go into yet another country to help stop the spread of that plague , islamic fasict terroristism?

I say its foolish to go in to pakistan.
Yeah i know if pakistan is over run with that plague of radical islam they would have control of the bomb and that means they would use it on india, and this would be the start of WW3.
You simply can;'t go into every country that alqaeda wabts to control.
I say move all troops out of the mideast and move them to guard our borders. No one illegal comes in, no one illegal goes out.
This way we would not have to stand in super long lines at the airport security ck point.
Considered throughout the ages as common sense.

[paulb]

^{UNREAL WE ARE ABOUT TO ENTER A NEW WAR AND NO ONE EVEN GIVES A HOOT.}

I guess after 8000 yrs of war, men now at the most critical juncture = BIG NUCLEAR BOMBS are in the picture, everyone now just yawns and says 'oh well, nothing new'
I mean come on, please care, I promise this may be the final one, afterwards we can all kick back and have 8000 yrs of peace.
What say ye?
so are you for going into pakistan or against?
Though it doesn't matter what you say the pentagon has already made its decision.
back to the war protests of the 60;s.

[paulb]

Interesting, very. That i have no bites.
But it does make sense that this pakistan issue would be overlooked by the erudite board members.
Nietzsche cried "there's a  storm brewing, its  a   real douzey, everyone take cover"
Folks laughed "there's no storm, why its sunny and simply beautiful weather"..

[Haffner]

I mean come on, please care, I promise this may be the final one, afterwards we can all kick back and have 8000 yrs of peace.

Please re-read this and tell me you were joking.

[paulb]

Please re-read this and tell me you were joking.

OK, maybe 100 yrs of peace afterwards.
Man has never had a  100 yr stretch of peace, not saying its an impossibility, But  knowing mankind's history........

[greg]

i've never even heard anything about troops moving into Pakistan.....

[paulb]

i've never even heard anything about troops moving into Pakistan.....

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/20/bush.intv/index.html

past summer some senator, i think it was Biden, who said, "if you think we havea   dilemma in Iraq, pakistan may become our nightmare"

I wan't quite sure of the text of his statements, until I read the National Geographic last Sept and the latest rash of al qaeda attacks.
And i did reminded myself that  Pakistan does have some nuclear capability.
Al Qaeda + Nukes =   

India would just love to go in and squash al qaeda, if and when the occasion arises. Hindu militants are on the rise, the only thing they dislike more than the christians are the islamics.

[greg]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/20/bush.intv/index.html

past summer some senator, i think it was Biden, who said, "if you think we havea   dilemma in Iraq, pakistan may become our nightmare"

I wan't quite sure of the text of his statements, until I read the National Geographic last Sept and the latest rash of al qaeda attacks.
And i did reminded myself that  Pakistan does have some nuclear capability.
Al Qaeda + Nukes =   

India would just love to go in and squash al qaeda, if and when the occasion arises. Hindu militants are on the rise, the only thing they dislike more than the christians are the islamics.

ok, thanks, i read the article
well, i think it wouldn't make sense to send troops into Pakistan if they volunteered to get bin Laden themselves (though could they be trusted?)

Hindu militants are on the rise, the only thing they dislike more than the christians are the islamics.

an army of Seans?   

[The new erato]

US policy may eventually have succeeded in destabilizing Pakistan and producing a great number of new terrorists. But what can  one expect with Alfred E Newman as president?

[paulb]

US policy may eventually have succeeded in destabilizing Pakistan and producing a great number of new terrorists. But what can  one expect with Alfred E Newman as president?

Well there's 2 sides to the issue. If we show weakness in dealing with the enemy, al qaeda, they'll move about at free will and control a  large part of the mid east. = oil fields.
But if we do show military presence so as  maintain some sense of democracy and also to protect our rights to the oil, the advance of al qaeda will be slowed.  But then our presence does make the young islamics even more radical as they are brainwashed by radical islam into seeing the troops as "Satan's army". Thus emboldening the suicide boombers.
Its a  no win situation.

I would hope that Bush and the pentagon is aware that the pakistan region where Bin Laden is, Kashmir, is as beautiful as it is deadly.

Its like walking into a  hornets nest. and if anyone here wants to know what its like to disturb a  hornets nest, I can testify, its frightening. The day i disturbed a  nest while weed trimming arounda   clients house, next thing I know, out the ground comes these jumbo Superliner size wasps. Ran for my life, fell down 20 yards away and some guy as he looked on said it was the funniest thing he's ever seen.
I simply did not want these hornets getting entangled in my bushy hair. That was the thought going through my mind as i ran. And its true, they'll chase you for 50 yards or so

But further I would picture for the pentagon an even more sinister senario.
For the US to move into pakistan, and the Kashmir region , is like a  man walking  knowingly at that, straight into the mother of all hornet nests , naked ...and no where to run nor hide
Why?
Yeah I know the islamofacists will get control of the bomb. Its inevitable, there's nothing to stop this. Troops is only a  stop gap measure, and the involvement in pakistan will be even worse a  blunder than our move into viet nam. If you can imagine anything more an act of stupidity than that.

Now for a  bit of Carl Jung's ideas. Test question.
Al Qaeda is the shadow side to the pentagon
True or false.
Another question
The USA is the shadow side to islam.
True or false.

[paulb]

WOW now that is weird.
You know how when you bring up the GMG page there is a  new photo shown , usually art work at the left corner.
Well i brought up the diner page and guess what image/pic came up?
You'll never guess..
here , i;ll be back, I need to download a  photo of a  hornet....
back..took me some time to locate a  photo that i felt fits the nature of this mighty killer

and here's another link that says hornets  are not really bad, AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT DISTURB THEM.
Here's a  german couple showing just how nice hornets can be

http://www.muenster.org/hornissenschutz/hornets.htm


Now who here in their right mind believes that you can safely walk past a hornet's nest which is located outside your back door in your garden? and now be eventually stung? This german couple apparently havea   a  hornet colony established in a  enviornment which they set up, you notice the hornet box the man built. Sort of like pet hornets. The insects have grown accumtomed to the couple, anyone else enter that domain and watch out.
I do agree with the author that its not right for man to GO OUT HIS WAY to destroy the insect.
But as man will be man, destruction and killing for no apparent reason seems to be some quirk in his nature.

[paulb]

The Hornet theme gets even more involved.
Whats the name of the pentagon's most often used fighter?

The FA18 The  Hornet!

[paulb]

What did i tell you guys

http://neworleans.cox.net/cci/newsnational/national?_mode=view&_state=maximized&view=article&id=D8UMIM200&_action=validatearticle

Buddy its over, the pentagon is stretched to the very limits and troups are in burn out mode.
the pentagon is not going into Pakistan...YIPIEEEEEEEE
You would have thought viet nam was a  lesson to learn. Why even think about Pakistan
Now if we can figure out a  way to exit afganistan and iraq
The recalled troups can start into public works projects here at home.

[paulb]

so is there any reason WHY we should go in?
Other than the fact that pakistan is about to become controlled by a  militant islamic party, and they will have control of the bomb?
Al Qaeda + The Bomb = 

[paulb]

So in an earlier post on some diner topic i made the insightful idea that al qaeda is our worst public enemy and less so american level of real intelligence.
Read this post from one Richardson, "economic implosion" as al qaeda did to the USSR in afganistan.
I knew there was a  connection between the huge money flow/weakening of the $ and the economy/ and al qaeda tactics.
good grief we need to get out of iraq NOW, Today.

http://www.amazon.com/tag/nonfiction/forum/ref=cm_cd_et_up_redir?%5Fencoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx2OYDNY5URZTVV&cdPage=1&cdSort=newest&cdThread=TxHVCAZ3MIQS6Z&newContentID=MxXP30ZM0A764S#Mx209UX9YIFQDZ5

before we become like germany during her war, where the deutchmark was used as fuel in stoves.

[MishaK]

The Hornet theme gets even more involved.
Whats the name of the pentagon's most often used fighter?

The FA18 The  Hornet!

It's the workhorse of the US Navy, ever since the A-6, the EA-6 and the F-14 were retired. But it ain't the most used fighter of the Pentagon. That distinction belongs to the F-16 Falcon/Viper. BTW, your picture shows a specimen being used by one of the top gun programs to simulate enemy aircraft in training exercises (hence the red star). It's not a regular combat aircraft.

[paulb]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-02-23-2929605478_x.htm

[Saul]

I think its imperative not to let these fanatics to take over...

[Ephemerid]

I think its imperative not to let these fanatics to take over...

*chuckle* yes, I agree, Saul... 

[Saul]

*chuckle* yes, I agree, Saul...