The Clip Quiz - Violin Concertos II

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Maciek

Quote from: Brian on February 12, 2008, 01:46:47 PM
33 - well that's one way of playing Brahms!

Ah! That was one of the two options I was considering. It's been ages since I've listened to the Brahms VC though. Still, I'm ashamed, I am.

Brian

Quote from: Maciek on February 12, 2008, 02:35:58 PM
Ah! That was one of the two options I was considering. It's been ages since I've listened to the Brahms VC though. Still, I'm ashamed, I am.
I hadn't listened to it in two years until I did a comparison check today.  ;D

m_gigena

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Quote from: Brian on February 12, 2008, 01:46:47 PM
Crap. I thought 5 might be Khachaturian. At any rate its composer is gypsy/folk-rhythm inspired! 4 is a lovely work - sounds like a movie-ish piece, almost.

Perhaps the composer is from the Caucasus too ...

Quote from: Brian on February 12, 2008, 01:46:47 PM
6 - hey!  :D

;)

Quote from: Brian on February 12, 2008, 01:46:47 PM
13 - aaah! I recognize this one. What is it? *furiously pounds head against wall* :(

*Paging Maciek*
Quote from: Brian on February 12, 2008, 01:46:47 PM
14 - well obviously I recognize the tunes, just not the arrangement! :D

Think Belgium.

Quote from: Brian on February 12, 2008, 01:46:47 PM
21 - Kurt Atterberg!  ;D

It's your work after all.


Quote from: Brian on February 12, 2008, 01:46:47 PM
25 - John Morris! Young Frankenstein Not a violin concerto really, but my favorite violin solo, ever. 

Right.

Quote from: Brian on February 12, 2008, 01:46:47 PM
16 - don't know what it is, but it's a hilarious, exuberant klezmer-type work :D

Perhaps what you hear there are his Romanian roots...

Quote from: Brian on February 12, 2008, 01:46:47 PM
18 - Jeno Hubay. This is, I believe, one of his Scenes de la Csarda, in fact Number 2 (?).

Magyar... yes. Hubay... nope.

Quote from: Brian on February 12, 2008, 01:46:47 PM
33 - well that's one way of playing Brahms!

December 14, 1952... it's the cadenza Erica Morini played that night.


Quote from: Brian on February 12, 2008, 01:46:47 PM
38 - Hubay again. Concerto No 3 - this scherzo is one of my favorite bits for violin and orchestra.

One of my faves too. Aaron Rosand plays with Louis de Froment.  Vilmos Szabadi recorded four concertos, released by Hungaroton, but I can't put my hands on that recording.

Brian

#23
Quote from: Manuel on February 12, 2008, 03:34:31 PMMagyar... yes. Hubay... nope.
Brian is challenging the ruling on the field...

The piano version of Hubay's Second Scene de la Csarda - compare to 18a (there is also a longer orchestral version).

(performer: Duci de Kerekjarto, 1930s, pianist unknown)

m_gigena

Quote from: Brian on February 12, 2008, 03:54:47 PM
Brian is challenging the ruling on the field...

The piano version of Hubay's Second Scene de la Csarda - compare to 18a (there is also a longer orchestral version).

(performer: Duci de Kerekjarto, 1930s, pianist unknown)

The same does Sarasate...

Quote from: Brian on February 12, 2008, 03:54:47 PM
(performer: Duci de Kerekjarto, 1930s, pianist unknown)

I'm ready to trade all the answers right now, plus the download links for the exotic works you request, for more recordings of Hubay in the same vein of that one.

Brian

Quote from: Manuel on February 12, 2008, 04:06:17 PM
I'm ready to trade all the answers right now, plus the download links for the exotic works you request, for more recordings of Hubay in the same vein of that one.
;D I have a set of '30s Jeno Hubay recordings by various violinists - all either pupils of Hubay, or Hubay himself - which is one of my most prized musical possessions. Simply beautiful! A few of the pieces have orchestral accompaniments, but the only artist information I have is the names of the individual violinists. The full set is now uploaded here, no bargaining necessary. :)

Note to People Who Are Not Manuel: I cannot recommend that download highly enough! Everybody ought to have it.

m_gigena

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Quote from: Brian on February 12, 2008, 04:15:02 PM
The full set is now uploaded here, no bargaining necessary. :)

Note to People Who Are Not Manuel: I cannot recommend that download highly enough! Everybody ought to have it.

Thank you very, very much.

Have you ever heard Dinicu? I remember listening to him playing a bunch of pieces of his own manufacture in one emission of Rarezas (Rarities), which is Carlos' Sunday exquisite radio program, a few years ago.

Brian

Quote from: Manuel on February 12, 2008, 05:21:23 PM
Thank you very, very much.

Have you ever heard Dinicu? I remember listening to him playing a bunch of pieces of his own manufacture in one emission of Rarezas (Rarities), which is Carlos' Sunday exquisite radio program, a few years ago.
Only on YouTube...

& You're welcome  :)

m_gigena

Quote from: Brian on February 12, 2008, 05:26:32 PM
Only on YouTube...


I love Enescu....  I have just listened to that same work, but played by Dinicu. It's the only one I've been able to find so far. I'll upload it tomorrow, it's almost bedtime now.

some guy

And while we're on the subject of famous (are we on the subject of famous?), no. 35 is Prokofiev's first. (I had to go buy a copy, as I've never had the two on CD, and I no longer have my LPs. And I didn't remember whether your clip was from one or two. Pfffft. Memory. Fuggidaboudit.)

m_gigena

Quote from: Brian on February 12, 2008, 03:54:47 PM
The piano version of Hubay's Second Scene de la Csarda - compare to 18a (there is also a longer orchestral version).

18 - Born in Austria, he studied composition as well as violin in Prague. Dvorak encouraged him to focus on composing... and so what we hear today are mostly his light operas... everywhere.

m_gigena

#31
QuoteI love Enescu....  I have just listened to that same work, but played by Dinicu. It's the only one I've been able to find so far. I'll upload it tomorrow, it's almost bedtime now.

Download some old fashioned fiddling here: http://www.mediafire.com/?cemdejyzdzj

1. J.Hubay-I.Strasfogel - Hubay - Hungarian Fantasy Op 45 [Magyar Ábránd] / J.Hubay-I.Strasfogel (12:51)
2. Vasa Prihoda - Nel cor piu Variations (7:27)*
3. Alma Gluck - The Fiddle And I (4:14)
4. Alma Gluck, soprano - The Old Folks At Home (3:11)**
5. Zimbalist Josef Hofmann - 02 - Hofmann Bercuse Op 20 No 5(E Violin) (3:15)
6. Christmas - Alma Gluck - Ave Maria (4:44)
7. Dinicu - Ciocirlia (2:49)



*OMG, that left hand pizzicato!
** Isn't that Dvorak?

Brian

Quote from: Manuel on February 13, 2008, 05:03:56 AM
18 - Born in Austria, he studied composition as well as violin in Prague. Dvorak encouraged him to focus on composing... and so what we hear today are mostly his light operas... everywhere.
:o :o  ... really?? That's not from his Concertino, though, is it? I don't remember having heard such gypsy fiddling in that piece (which is wonderful by the way)...

EDIT: Ah, I see Lehar did write a Hungarian Fantasy as well. Awesome solution :)

Brian

Quote from: Manuel on February 13, 2008, 07:03:33 AM
Download some old fashioned fiddling here: http://www.mediafire.com/?cemdejyzdzj

1. J.Hubay-I.Strasfogel - Hubay - Hungarian Fantasy Op 45 [Magyar Ábránd] / J.Hubay-I.Strasfogel (12:51)
2. Vasa Prihoda - Nel cor piu Variations (7:27)*
3. Alma Gluck - The Fiddle And I (4:14)
4. Alma Gluck, soprano - The Old Folks At Home (3:11)**
5. Zimbalist Josef Hofmann - 02 - Hofmann Bercuse Op 20 No 5(E Violin) (3:15)
6. Christmas - Alma Gluck - Ave Maria (4:44)
7. Dinicu - Ciocirlia (2:49)



*OMG, that left hand pizzicato!
** Isn't that Dvorak?
:o Oh my gosh, thank you!!

m_gigena

Quote from: Brian on February 13, 2008, 09:31:05 AM
:o :o  ... really?? That's not from his Concertino, though, is it? I don't remember having heard such gypsy fiddling in that piece (which is wonderful by the way)...

EDIT: Ah, I see Lehar did write a Hungarian Fantasy as well. Awesome solution :)

You lost me. I mean... 18 is Lehar's own Magyar Ábránd.

m_gigena

Quote from: Brian on February 13, 2008, 09:33:17 AM
:o Oh my gosh, thank you!!

You are welcome. Now check out Kubelik's spiccato. Unlike modern violinists (run to your shelves and look for Perlman's recording of the same piece) this one sounds incisive... his bow wasn't just bouncing, he really pressed the strings in each hit; a real Italian school piquetato.

Brian

Quote from: Manuel on February 13, 2008, 10:33:59 AM
You lost me. I mean... 18 is Lehar's own Magyar Ábránd.
Just looked it up, "Hungarian Fantasy" is just a translation of "Magyar Ábránd". Sorry for the confusion  ;D

m_gigena

Quote from: Brian on February 13, 2008, 11:02:04 AM
Just looked it up, "Hungarian Fantasy" is just a translation of "Magyar Ábránd". Sorry for the confusion  ;D

No problem. Now hold your breadth for 8 minutes.

m_gigena

01 - His output includes ten violin concertos, duets, etudes and... the Franco-Belgian school of violin. One of his many, many pupils was Jesús Monasterio, who translated for Spaniards what he had learned with his Belgian maestro.

02 - He studied organ at the École Niedermeyer, and was also a pupil of Saint-Saëns (aside from holding his own post of organist at Saint-Sulpice, he happened play at the Église de la Madeleine should Saint-Saëns be absent).
At the Paris Conservatoire he took's Massenet job. And from this place he taught Ravel.

03 - Don't be confused, he was not related to the family that tossed hundreds of waltzes.

04 - This Florentine composer, a pupil of Pizzetti, moved to America with the help of Heifetz... he settled somewhere in the west coast and contributed to the music of about 250 films.

05 - @Brian: it's ok to confuse this guy with Khachaturian... (if him and Tchaikovsky would have worked together in a violin concerto, i think the production might have sounded very much like the one in this clip).
       The Caucasian flavor comes from his native Georgia (after achieving success he was held the charge of chairman of the Georgian Union of composers, from 1962 through 1973). He must have been very good, as Shostakovich and Khrennikov supported his appointment of Director at the Tbilisi conservatoire.
       Oistrakh gave the Moscow premiere of this violin concerto in 1949.

Brian

Quote from: Manuel on February 14, 2008, 04:07:52 PM
01 - His output includes ten violin concertos, duets, etudes and... the Franco-Belgian school of violin. One of his many, many pupils was Jesús Monasterio, who translated for Spaniards what he had learned with his Belgian maestro.
Beriot?