Verdi Requiem - Looking for particular recording (Pavarotti, Karajan)

[Elenkis]

Hello all, wasn't sure which forum to post this in but I'm desperately searching for a recording of Verdi's Requiem performed by Pavarotti, Price, Cossotto, Ghiaurov and the Milan La Scala, conducted by Karajan (I believe in 1967?). It doesn't seem to be available on CD as far as I can tell? There's a DVD version available, but that's no good to me. I also found this on Amazon UK:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pavarotti-Collection-Verdi-Requiem-Giuseppe/dp/B000000PXA

However after ordering and receiving it, it actually appears to really be a labeling error on Amazon and is in fact some reggae CD (which explains the odd track listing)

Does anyone know if this is even available on CD? And maybe where I can find it? Any help would be appreciated!

[Tsaraslondon]

I'm pretty sure that it has never received an official CD release, there being two other aural only recordings by Karajan in DG's catalogue. Your only hope is that it might have been released on a pirate label at some time.

[Keemun]

However after ordering and receiving it, it actually appears to really be a labeling error on Amazon and is in fact some reggae CD (which explains the odd track listing)

So the track names did not tip you off that this was not a Pavarotti CD?  Despite Pavarotti's cross-over adventures in later years, I cannot imagine him singing "Rub-A-Dub Market", "Run Come Dub Me", "Eni Meeni Mini Mo Dub" or everybody's favorite, "Praise Jah With Dub"? 

Couldn't you purchase the DVD and rip the audio from it on your computer?  I imagine there's a way to do this.  Perhaps someone else here can tell us how.

[Tsaraslondon]

Don't be so damned cheap. Buy an inexpensive DVD player. They can be had for under $100, and if you must, listen to the audio only. This "ripping" bullshit is just that. Just so much "bullshit".

Well it may surprise you to know that some people don't even own a television, which, for them, is a matter of choice, not of cost. I have a friend who has no tv, and only has a laptop at home, which isn't the best medium in the world for watching music DVDs. He is not cheap, nor is he poor, but he has no desire to own a tv. He finds his life is enriched enough by books, the radio, recorded music, cinema, live concerts, theatre, opera and ballet. It may even be that his life is even richer than mine, precisely because he doesn't own a tv set. Like many, I sometimes find it too easy to be sucked into cheap tv, when there are so many more profitable things I could be doing. And, oddly enough, I missed television not one jot, when I was waiting for a new tv set after the demise of my old one.

[Tsaraslondon]

Really? That statement takes the Rod Corkin-Paulb-71 dB-Teresa prize for possibly the dumbest thing I have yet to read on this forum. Ballet is a superlative art form deeply allied to music: do you think for example it was merely accidental that three of Tchaikovsky's major works were ballets, or that Stravinsky's career crossed paths on numerous occasions with major choreographers like Fokine, Nijinsky and (above all) Balanchine, who invented almost single-handledly a whole new vocabulary of human movement and worked with numerous other major composers besides? If the implication is that ballet is something effeminate, something a "real man" would never get into, you're sadly mistaken. It doesn't apply to modern ballet and not even to classical as well. In Latin and Russian cultures the male dancer is considered a prime examplar of machismo, and I'll place the strength and stamina of a great dancer against any player in the NFL. The beauty, grace, and strength of the greatest ballerinas too is performance art at its extraordinary best.

I don't know where you're from, but as a grown New York man who regularly attends the New York City Ballet and American Ballet Theatre, I can tell you I've never experienced goosebumps as when I saw Paloma Herrera from ABT completing the Rose Adagio from Sleeping Beauty, or Daniel Ulbricht from NYCB in the lead role of Prokofiev's Prodigal Son, and I certainly never understood what Stravinsky was trying to express in either Petrouchka or Agon until I saw them danced.

Honestly, you sound like one of those rock-loving anti-classical music types who's absorbed a stereotype about classical music and hasn't ever experienced it for himself.

Bravo! An excellent and eloquent riposte! Though I'm not sure if the the original fatuous comment merited it.

[Elenkis]

So the track names did not tip you off that this was not a Pavarotti CD?  Despite Pavarotti's cross-over adventures in later years, I cannot imagine him singing "Rub-A-Dub Market", "Run Come Dub Me", "Eni Meeni Mini Mo Dub" or everybody's favorite, "Praise Jah With Dub"? 

Well considering it also says "On this CD: 1. Messa da Requiem" and every other detail is correct (including performers), I figured the track list was most likely a mistake - which would hardly be a first for Amazon

[Keemun]

Well considering it also says "On this CD: 1. Messa da Requiem" and every other detail is correct (including performers), I figured the track list was most likely a mistake - which would hardly be a first for Amazon

I certainly hope you returned it for a refund. 

[PerfectWagnerite]

Really? That statement takes the Rod Corkin-Paulb-71 dB-Teresa prize for possibly the dumbest thing I have yet to read on this forum. Ballet is a superlative art form deeply allied to music: do you think for example it was merely accidental that three of Tchaikovsky's major works were ballets, or that Stravinsky's career crossed paths on numerous occasions with major choreographers like Fokine, Nijinsky and (above all) Balanchine, who invented almost single-handledly a whole new vocabulary of human movement and worked with numerous other major composers besides? If the implication is that ballet is something effeminate, something a "real man" would never get into, you're sadly mistaken. It doesn't apply to modern ballet and not even to classical as well. In Latin and Russian cultures the male dancer is considered a prime examplar of machismo, and I'll place the strength and stamina of a great dancer against any player in the NFL. The beauty, grace, and strength of the greatest ballerinas too is performance art at its extraordinary best.

I don't know where you're from, but as a grown New York man who regularly attends the New York City Ballet and American Ballet Theatre, I can tell you I've never experienced goosebumps as when I saw Paloma Herrera from ABT completing the Rose Adagio from Sleeping Beauty, or Daniel Ulbricht from NYCB in the lead role of Prokofiev's Prodigal Son, and I certainly never understood what Stravinsky was trying to express in either Petrouchka or Agon until I saw them danced.

Honestly, you sound like one of those rock-loving anti-classical music types who's absorbed a stereotype about classical music and hasn't ever experienced it for himself.

So you are comfortable with your feminine side. Good for you.

I like opera just fine. I can't take ballet. Sorry.

[Tsaraslondon]

So you are comfortable with your feminine side. Good for you.

I like opera just fine. I can't take ballet. Sorry.

  It gets worse.

[Mark]

Really? I am sorry, I can't see any grown-up man liking ballet. It's like a man taking up weaving.

If you have a problem with the basket you asked me to show you how to weave, why don't you PM me, huh?

[knight66]

Is this a serious response? ...........
Anyway, thank you to the more helpful posters. I guess my only option will be to find a way of ripping it from the DVD.

Sorry Elenkis, but you at once encountered the house grump. He likes to pretend he is an extremely unpleasant, low-down rottweiler. He, as usual, just succeeds in the initial part of the aim.

There are plenty of friendly types here.

I have the DVD we have been discussing, it really does not seem to be available in any other format. There is a CD version on Decca with Pavarotti conducted by Solti. It has a lot going for it; though the sound off the discs is glassy.

Mike

[Holden]

Elenkis - I have this DVD and also wanted an audio only version. Unfortunately the audio performance comes in at a fraction over 83 minutes which means that even with overburning, you won't fit it onto one CD unless it's one of those very rare 90 minute ones (which I have). Those 90' CD-Rs are not guaranteed to play in every machine and possibly not your car player. However, with an MP3 player it's no problem nowadays as the size of your flash/hard drive is the determining factor. I'm sure the fact that DG would have had to spread this recording over 2 CDs is also the reason it has never appeared on an audio only production. (Actually it has, via Japan I think but this is no longer available).

I used a paid for program called Total Recorder  www.highcriteria.com  to strip out the audio but it only works in real time. A free program that also does this is Audacity,   http://audacity.sourceforge.net/  which I've also used and it's remarkably effective but once again it records in real time. No problem if you're patient.

There are also ways of doing this digitally but I've never investigated them. I'm sure somoeone else here will be able to do that.

[Topaz]

Is this a serious response? When I said that DVD wasn't an option, I meant it. For the record I do have a DVD player, but maybe I want to listen to it in the car, or in an other room, or on my personal CD player at work? Maybe I have a very expensive audiophile CD player that I'd rather use?

Not that I should need to explain the situation but the actual reason is that it's not for me; it's a gift for my mother who heard the performance on the radio, fell in love with it and has been wanting a copy of it ever since (she already has other performances of the requiem but really wants this one). She doesn't have a DVD player and doesn't want one. She's not a movie fan, not tech savvy and doesn't want to have to turn on a DVD player (and have me show her how to use it) every time she wants to listen to her favourite music.

Anyway, thank you to the more helpful posters. I guess my only option will be to find a way of ripping it from the DVD.

Ripping from a DVD is easy enough if you have a suitable soundcard on a PC.  I use a Creative Labs card.  Most Creative cards come with proprietary software ("Media Source 5 Organiser"). This is a media player which allows you to record from a line-in source at very high quality (24 bits 96 khz), depending on the source material.  Connect the DVD player to the line-in socket on the sound card using a 2-phono to 3mm interconnect.  Play the DVD and record the sound in "WAV Stereo" format.  Then simply burn a CD - in normal CD format - using the recording.  It might also be possible to do the same thing with a standard soundcard, as shipped with a PC, but usually you find that the quality is much poorer as there's normally a maximum recording limit of about 96 kbps, which is not much good.  Rather than purchase a Creative soundcard (or one of similar quality) you might know someone who can do the job for you on their PC.

[(poco) Sforzando]

So you are comfortable with your feminine side. Good for you.

I like opera just fine. I can't take ballet. Sorry.

Cut the crap. If this is a covert way of saying "all dancers are queer" (and by implication all males who come to see them), you don't know what you're talking about. The mix of gay-to-straight men in ballet companies is probably around 50-50. It has nothing to do with feminine or masculine.

As it happens, I can't think of any more erotically charged male-female narrative than Kenneth MacMillan's version of Manon, which I saw twice with Alessandra Ferri in the title role, once partnering with Julio Bocca and the other time with Roberto Bolle. The boy-girl passion conveyed in that ballet makes Tristan und Isolde look like a Sunday School story.

In short, you just don't know what you're talking about.

[PerfectWagnerite]

Cut the crap. If this is a covert way of saying "all dancers are queer" (and by implication all males who come to see them),

If I had wanted to say that I don't need to say it covertly. You take it to mean whatever you want it to mean.

[Iago]

Well it may surprise you to know that some people don't even own a television, which, for them, is a matter of choice, not of cost. I have a friend who has no tv, and only has a laptop at home, which isn't the best medium in the world for watching music DVDs. He is not cheap, nor is he poor, but he has no desire to own a tv. He finds his life is enriched enough by books, the radio, recorded music, cinema, live concerts, theatre, opera and ballet. It may even be that his life is even richer than mine, precisely because he doesn't own a tv set. Like many, I sometimes find it too easy to be sucked into cheap tv, when there are so many more profitable things I could be doing. And, oddly enough, I missed television not one jot, when I was waiting for a new tv set after the demise of my old one.

Obviously, living in London, you've never heard of "live" television sports. In the USA we revel in our baseball, football (not soccer) and basketball for its dramatic and entertainment value. In addition ones life may be enriched enough by books, the radio, recorded music, cinema, live concerts, theatre, opera and ballet, but without sports its also incomplete.
You are a troglodyte. Admit it!.Your lack of a TV does NOT speak of your "superiority". But it does speak of your smallness of mind.

[knight66]

You are a troglodyte. Admit it!.Your lack of a TV does NOT speak of your "superiority". But it does speak of your smallness of mind.

I suppose you turning up to clear your throat is less objectionable than your customary incontinence. There is really no excusing your rudeness to a brand new poster. Quite possibly someone who might have stayed and possibly now will not. Try to reserve the acid drops for those of us who know how well sucked and worn down they are.

Mike

[bhodges]

I suppose you turning up to clear your throat is less objectionable than your customary incontinence. There is really no excusing your rudeness to a brand new poster. Quite possibly someone who might have stayed and possibly now will not. Try to reserve the acid drops for those of us who know how well sucked and worn down they are.

Mike

Yes, ditto. 

--Bruce

[Morigan]

the Rod Corkin-Paulb-71 dB-Teresa prize for possibly the dumbest thing I have yet to read on this forum.

[Tsaraslondon]

I suppose you turning up to clear your throat is less objectionable than your customary incontinence. There is really no excusing your rudeness to a brand new poster. Quite possibly someone who might have stayed and possibly now will not. Try to reserve the acid drops for those of us who know how well sucked and worn down they are.

Mike

Thanks, Mike. I am finally beginning to realise which posters are best ignored.