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Started by karlhenning, March 12, 2008, 12:53:28 PM

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Do the expressions "this is better" and "I like this" have distinct meanings one from another?

Aye
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(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: JoshLilly on March 13, 2008, 06:41:26 AM

No, usually it annoys me, and I don't like to do it. I consider it different in this case, since so many (despite the denials of some locals¹) use this stuff to try to enforce their taste and preference onto others. The insistence on an enforced set of rules as to what or who is "great" ("better") and what isn't, and reacting with derision or insult to those who don't follow it. I think this is harmful for several reasons, which is why I think it is important to make the distinction between objectivity and subjectivity (regardless of the education-level, knowledge, or numeric makeup of the opinion-givers).


¹ I'm not naming any local message board residents as doing this, just that so many here deny that it even occurs... though it occurs quite often, as they very well should know.

If you write "Joachim Raff, the Greatest!" on your avatar, how does what you are doing differ from those you attack? You're reminding me a little of the coach who told his players, "Hey, guys, watch your f*cking mouths, fer Chrissake!"
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

JoshLilly

Quote from: Sforzando on March 13, 2008, 06:43:28 AM
If you write "Joachim Raff, the Greatest!" on your avatar, how does what you are doing differ from those you attack? You're reminding me a little of the coach who told his players, "Hey, guys, watch your f*cking mouths, fer Chrissake!"


I don't tell anyone else to think Raff is great, do I? Or say that I'm objectively correct to think that he's great, do I?

Saul

Quote from: karlhenning on March 12, 2008, 12:53:28 PM
A result of two posts today which essentially asked "I like it:  if that doesn't mean better, what does better mean?"

Butter...

Ephemerid


George

I couldn't figure out the sailor? terminology used in the voting options  ;) , but I would have voted for yes, they are absolutely different.

Like someone else said, liking something only refers to that thing, liking one better refers to two and yes best refers to more than two, except in the case where there is only two, like parents or presidential candidates. 

George

Quote from: karlhenning on March 12, 2008, 12:53:28 PM
A result of two posts today which essentially asked "I like it:  if that doesn't mean better, what does better mean?"

Better means I like it more than x or I like it more than x and y.

I like it just means I like x.

I suspect that maybe if you put your question into context, it might be easier to see your dilemma with this.

George

Quote from: Anne on March 12, 2008, 01:02:54 PM
Good - One item
Better - Two items - Of the two, you like one better than the other.
Best - More than two items - Of the three items, you like one the best of the three.


Anne wins the prize! I like her reply best. It is a good reply, much better than the rest.  ;D

Seriously, excellent breakdown, Anne.  :)

George

Quote from: lukeottevanger on March 12, 2008, 01:31:32 PM
[re. Anne's last post]

But the question is, do we always like what is good?

Good doesn't actually exist.

karlhenning

Quote from: Sforzando on March 13, 2008, 06:38:30 AM
But is a red brick schoolhouse a better schoolhouse, or simply a redder schoolhouse?

QuoteBetter deader than redder.

karlhenning

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Quote from: George on March 13, 2008, 07:27:21 AM
Good doesn't actually exist.

Then better (which is the comparative form of good) does not exist, either.  And if it does not exist, it cannot "equal" I like it.

Edit :: typo corrected, to make the post yet better

karlhenning

Thus, I hope you were true to your thought, and voted Aye, George  :)

George

Quote from: karlhenning on March 13, 2008, 08:04:09 AM
Then better (which is the comparative form of good) does not exist, either.  And if it does not exist, it cannot "equal" I like it.

Edit :: typo corrected, to make the post yet better

Well played!  :)


George

Quote from: karlhenning on March 13, 2008, 08:07:59 AM
Thus, I hope you were true to your thought, and voted Aye, George  :)

Only after consulting my Popeye to English dictionary.  8)

karlhenning

Quote from: George on March 13, 2008, 08:14:36 AM
Well played!  :)

You are kind, and I thank you, sir!  :)

karlhenning

Popeye, George! Outstanding!

Now there was a sailor who knew that spinach was good, even if you might not like it!  ;D

George

Quote from: karlhenning on March 13, 2008, 08:23:14 AM
Popeye, George! Outstanding!

Now there was a sailor who knew that spinach was good, even if you might not like it!  ;D

Well played again, I like that reply even better than the first, though I did like the first one.  8)

Ephemerid

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Quote from: karlhenning on March 13, 2008, 08:23:14 AM
Popeye, George! Outstanding!

Now there was a sailor who knew that spinach was good, even if you might not like it!  ;D

I like Doritoes lots more than spinach, therefore Doritoes are better...   

;D

George

Quote from: just josh on March 13, 2008, 08:57:59 AM
I like Doritoes lots more than spinach, therefore Doritoes are better...   

;D

...for scaring girls away. strong muscles are better than strong breath.  ;D


karlhenning

I've got to admit it's getting better (Better)
A little better all the time (It can't get more worse)
I have to admit it's getting better (Better)
It's getting better since you've been mine

lukeottevanger

Each line really needs to have an 'IMHO' suffix, of course, to be correct.