Mahler Mania, Rebooted

[The new erato]

But what is the logic of using this process to generate surround sound, then distributing it on a CD with 2 channels?

Yes, it's totally meaningless, the question is; does it degrade the final 2 ch sound? As mentioned before, I found little wrong with the Schiff Bach set using this method.  I'm still undecided on this set, at the price it seems a risk worth taking.

[knight66]

The disc I have sounds fine; though I have no idea how it would have sounded before it was processed. But the entire expensive idea seemed pointless. I have no confidence that what I hear replicates how the orchestra would have sounded in the hall itself. As I was not there...do I care as long as the end result is impressive.

Mike

[Scarpia]

It sounds like voodoo. I read abou it as I have a Karajan DVD that has been given this treatment. Pseudo science.

At least the Karajan DVD (I believe) makes it optional since there is still a stereo track.  In that context it may have some value if it simply puts some reverberation in your rear surround speakers.  I think I read somewhere that the ADSI cds require prologic processing to reveal the surround, but listening to a prologic encoded signal without the decoding is not ideal.  Bottom line, I avoid them. 

[Drasko]

At least the Karajan DVD (I believe) makes it optional since there is still a stereo track.  In that context it may have some value if it simply puts some reverberation in your rear surround speakers.  I think I read somewhere that the ADSI cds require prologic processing to reveal the surround, but listening to a prologic encoded signal without the decoding is not ideal.  Bottom line, I avoid them.

From Emil Berliner Studios:

AMSI I (Ambient Surround Imaging) has been developed in order to convert
stereo masters/material to (Dolby-Prologic) surround compatible formats.
A Dolby-Prologic Decoder is required for simulating the surround effect.
Such decoders are available in most of the standard amplifiers, as it is
in yours.

A computer-based process uses phase-shifts in the stereo material, which
results in a surround effect for the back loudspeaker channel as well as
for the centre channel.
By means of different specific processes the effect is even improved.

The best possible tuning of the Prologic amplifiers can be achieved with
disabling the additional DSP effects as "stadium", "theatre", etc. Only
this makes sure that the listener has the same conditions as in a
mastering or postproduction studio.

As the successor process we have developed AMSI II:.

AMSI II is a process that depicts stereo audio material into 5.1
Surround Sound, ready for storage on DVD Audio, DVD Video or SACD.
And we have found, for instance, that AMSI II and DVD Video make an
ideal pair: we add the AMSI II-processed Surround version (Dolby AC3
and/or DTS) to the original stereo sound track of DVD Videos.

[kishnevi]

He recorded for EMI, didn't he?

[He meaning Barbirolli]
Yes, he did.  Herman, what recording are you referring to?
I certainly have his 9th with the Berlin Phil on EMI's GROC series and (come to think of it) as part of EMI's Complete Mahler boxset, so that one is definitely available.

[The new erato]

[He meaning Barbirolli]
Yes, he did.  Herman, what recording are you referring to?
I certainly have his 9th with the Berlin Phil on EMI's GROC series and (come to think of it) as part of EMI's Complete Mahler boxset, so that one is definitely available.

Yes, but since this is a Universal setup (from which Giulini is an option for the Dream Mahler cycle), I can't see why Barbirolli on EMI was brought into the fray.....?

[Herman]

Yes, but since this is a Universal setup (from which Giulini is an option for the Dream Mahler cycle), I can't see why Barbirolli on EMI was brought into the fray.....?

Absentmindedness. That's why I proposed the Haitink 1987 Ninth on 2nd thought.

[jlaurson]

Gustav Mahler – Symphony No.10 (Part 2)
http://www.weta.org/fmblog/?p=1561

Considerable updates after a few e-mails from Remo Mazzetti Jr.

[DavidRoss]

During a recent automobile excursion to Southern California and back, I relied partly on Chailly's Mahler cycle to help preserve my sanity.  Sarge and others might be pleased to hear that I enjoyed what I heard (1 through 5) very much.

[Sergeant Rock]

Considerable updates after a few e-mails from Remo Mazzetti Jr.

A timely update for me: I just heard the Mazzetti version (Lopéz-Cobos) for the first time two days ago.

Sarge

[Sergeant Rock]

During a recent automobile excursion to Southern California and back, I relied partly on Chailly's Mahler cycle to help preserve my sanity.  Sarge and others might be pleased to hear that I enjoyed what I heard (1 through 5) very much.

I am pleased. 

Edit: But the biggest challenge is Chailly's Sixth and Eighth. Both are broad readings...in the case of the Sixth, very broad in the first movement: like Barbirolli but utterly devoid of passion and warmth. It's an interpretation I like to think of as the Sixth Klemperer could have recorded after he'd finished the Seventh: slow, grim and stoic.

Sarge

[The new erato]

During a recent automobile excursion to Southern California and back, I relied partly on Chailly's Mahler cycle to help preserve my sanity.  Sarge and others might be pleased to hear that I enjoyed what I heard (1 through 5) very much.

You must have speeded.   

I mean; how many miles are that?

[DavidRoss]

You must have speeded.   

I mean; how many miles are that?

About 1500 miles, somewhat fewer than 500 of them accompanied by Mahler.  Note, however, that we averaged about 3 gallons of fuel per symphony. 

[karlhenning]

Commendable symphonic economy!

[The new erato]

About 1500 miles, somewhat fewer than 500 of them accompanied by Mahler.  Note, however, that we averaged about 3 gallons of fuel per symphony. 

Not very fuel-efficient those symphonies. Haydn would have been a better choice.

[DavidRoss]

Not very fuel-efficient those symphonies. Haydn would have been a better choice.

Thanks to your tip about jpc, I may test your theory soon!

[Opus106]

[Link]

Is this a chance for a No. 2 other than Ozawa's to come out from a state of out-of-print-ness?

[Papy Oli]

The stream of Eschenbach's 5th is up since yesterday :

http://mahler.christoph-eschenbach.com/#movnav

[Archaic Torso of Apollo]

And of course Chicago is not a Mahler orchestra.

Indeed. That's why Reiner, Solti, Giulini, Abbado, Levine, Boulez, Barenboim, Tennstedt, and Haitink never recorded any Mahler with the CSO.

[DavidRoss]

I see Sinopoli's complete cycle at amazon.de for 22 Euros. Any views?

One of my faves--and that's about a fifth the price I paid, which I have never regretted.  Hope you snatched it up!