Is there a "Late Liszt List"?

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karlhenning

In fact, I am light on my feet; which is perhaps part of why I like much of my music thus  ;)

Josquin des Prez

#21
Late Liszt is the only Liszt i can seem to stomach. Just recently i went through his complete tone poems and the only one i truly liked was the last one, written more then 20 years after the preceding piece. He's like a completely different man.

I'm bumping this thread in the hope for more informations. From my part, i'll add St Francois D'assise, performed by Vladimir Feltsman, one of my favored pianists (and as some of you may have noticed i never cast such judgments lightly) who for some inexplicable reason remains little known.

Josquin des Prez

Quote from: edward on May 01, 2008, 11:31:28 AM
however, Leslie Howard's disc of late Liszt pieces I don't find worth the space it takes up on my shelves.

The playing is pretty dry but those pieces are truly interesting. The Valses oubliées, the Csárdás, the Historische ungarische Bildnisse, fascinating stuff. Hopefully a more sensible pianist will pick this material in the future.

marvinbrown

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on May 14, 2008, 05:09:19 PM
Late Liszt is the only Liszt i can seem to stomach. Just recently i went through his complete tone poems and the only one i truly liked was the last one, written more then 20 years after the preceding piece. He's like a completely different man.



  He was a different man.  The death of his children, his falling out with Richard Wagner along with his failed romantic relationships etc. made him very bitter.  I find his late pieces to be very dark and full of despair.  Gone is the joi de vivre that produced the Hungarian Rhapsodies.

  marvin

Solitary Wanderer

I'm on a Liszt kick at the moment.

Loving my boxset of Symphonic Poems, Faust Symphony, Piano Concerto's & Hungarian Rhapsodies  :)
'I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth.' ~ Emily Bronte

marvinbrown

Quote from: Solitary Wanderer on May 16, 2008, 03:09:13 PM
I'm on a Liszt kick at the moment.

Loving my boxset of Symphonic Poems, Faust Symphony, Piano Concerto's & Hungarian Rhapsodies  :)

  Don't forget the Years of Pilgrimage- I especially love the first 2 years (Italy and Switzerland)

  marvin

Lethevich

Excellent post! You listened quite a few CDs I was unaware of and they all look very tempting :)
Peanut butter, flour and sugar do not make cookies. They make FIRE.

not edward

The sad question is this--I know the Fiorentino is still in print, but are any of the others?
"I don't at all mind actively disliking a piece of contemporary music, but in order to feel happy about it I must consciously understand why I dislike it. Otherwise it remains in my mind as unfinished business."
-- Aaron Copland, The Pleasures of Music

Drasko

Quote from: edward on July 24, 2010, 03:09:29 PM
The sad question is this--I know the Fiorentino is still in print, but are any of the others?
No.

karlhenning

That's one method of resisting temptation.

Dax

#30
So whose recording of the late piano pieces is particularly recommendable and why?

I'm glad the Via Crucis was mentioned: strangely enough, that was my real introduction to Liszt. The religious work, especially the Psalms, are well worth investigation, although not too many are late.

karlhenning

The Via Crucis is exquisite! And as I think it's from 1878, certainly qualifies for this thread.

RJR

There were some moments in the first five minutes or so of Die Ideale that sounded very advanced. Then he pulled back and returned to a more recognizable style. So, either he wasn't sure what to do next and tucked it away somewhere in the recesses of his brain for later use, or he didn't want to upset his fan base. 

karlhenning

"The Stars and Stripes Forever" is a tone-poem?

Who knew?

Mandryka

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 25, 2010, 05:07:45 AM
The Via Crucis is exquisite! And as I think it's from 1878, certainly qualifies for this thread.

Yes agreed. If you like it then you'll also like the Requiem. Also the Cantata about St Elizabeth.

Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

DieNacht

#35
The 4 Valses Oubliees are late as well (1881-1885) and some have been recorded by Horowitz, Cziffra (both 1), Richter (1-3), Farnadi (all) etc.

At least Mephisto Walzer 3 & 4 are late (1880s).

Some works for cello & piano (or arranged works, sometimes by others, compiled in various recordings), mostly dating from the 1880s, really belong to the creme de la creme in the Liszt discography: "Die Zelle in Nonnenwerth", "La Lugubre Gondola", "Valse Oubliee", "Schlaflos, Frage und Antwort", "Nuages Gris", "Receuillement", "Sandor Petöfi" , "Elegie I-II" etc..

Among the lieder, at  least "J´Ai Perdu ma Force et ma Vie" is really unusual and sounds very late, but it dates from 1872.

"La Lugubre Gondola I-II": marvellous ...

DieNacht

#36
Concerning "J´ai Perdu ...", a very short work, I only know the Fischer-Dieskau, but it is very good. Its very forceful character makes it somewhat different from the "typical" Dieskau sound.

Mandryka

Quote from: DieNacht on August 27, 2011, 10:17:02 PM
Concerning "J´ai Perdu ...", a very short work, I only know the Fischer-Diesku, but it is very good. Its very forceful character makes it somewhat different from the "typical" Dieskau sound.

There are a couple with FD -- with Barenboim and one with Demus. I prefer the Demus and I agree he sings it well.

But it would be nice to hear someone else with it -- but Gedda and Hampson don't sing it, and neither do any of the old singers as far as I can see. Let me investigate.
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

DieNacht

#38
Hearing "J´ai perdu..." with Barenboim again, it turns out that I somehow partly mixed up the length and immediate forcefulness of the piece with another, very short lied, "Vergiftet sind ..." (1842), but I think that the characterization I gave of both the piece and FD´s singing is still valid.

George

"It is a curious fact that people are never so trivial as when they take themselves seriously." –Oscar Wilde